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Topic: SEO/SEM

Poor Conversion Rate

Posted by timberboxes on 2750 Points
Aug 15 2015 launched www.brookbend.com completely new site, updating a 13-year old consumer-direct business.

We've made one sale, for $1000.

GOOGLE ANALYTICS STATS
2,128 visitors; 1,756 new users
Bounce Rate 51.41%

Paid search: 898 visitors
Direct: 456
Organic: 442
Referral:445
Social: 27

Pages per session: 2.75
Session duration: 1:50

LANDING PAGE: Category product gallery for Paid Ads is for the only category (storage) we've been advertising, at https://brookbend.com/product-category/storage-cabinets/

CHAT: Was added in August to reveal any problems visitors may have. Only one chat initiated by consumer: "product dimensions not up yet".

Largely, we've retained the business branding of older site.

IMPORTANT: Our storage items have unique features not found elsewhere. Historically our website had tons of problems. People called to resolve - AND purchase. These phone calls aren't happening now, neither is sales. I'll send anyone a check, outside of M. Profs if you figure it out.


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  • Posted by Jay Hamilton-Roth on Accepted
    Can you remember back to when your website wasn't working well, and people were calling? If so, what questions were they asking? Where were they located? What was keeping them from buying? How were you able to buy from you with confidence? These are likely the questions people are still having, but not seeing the answer on your functioning website and not seeing the reason to call you.

    One thing that I noticed was the your name/tagline doesn't convey an emotional benefit to your product. "Creations of a former Ethan Allen designer" doesn't tell me much.
  • Posted by mgoodman on Accepted
    The ad copy is obviously key to the CTR and to the expectations of a site visitor. But the bounce rate and engagement on the landing page are more important for converting visitors into customers. You should review ad copy and message-match on the landing page.

    As for the landing page, it's really a catalog page ... without much benefit-copy and not a human in sight. In fact it's sterile. (Cabinets are very nice, but what's the BENEFIT? What's the emotional payoff?) I think that's a large part of the problem. No benefits. No pictures of happy customers. Not even a craftsman at work. Just wooden cabinets. I'd probably hit the back button myself.

    This is just a quick observation, of course, based on the information you provided.
  • Posted by modza on Accepted
    Both observations above are on point, but speculative, of course, and both require answers you may not have. I agree with both, adding that the photography is beautiful (furniture, too!), but beautiful site design does not translate necessarily to sales success. It may even be an inhibitor.

    Here's another data-driven question: how do the numbers you report (thanks for them, by the way!) compare to before the site was overhauled? Does your Google Analytics let you compare the demo- and psychographics of site visitors before and after overhaul?

    Another before/after question: is there seasonality to your business, and can you compare season to season? I would think that by August 15 people have stopped shopping for outdoor furniture (except on end-of-season sales -- a thought?) and are looking ahead to fall/winter (certainly the stores are!).

    I loaded the MOZ bar (formerly SEOMoz) and it reports that you're woefully lacking in SEO-friendly attributes behind the scenes -- even though I see that you've "SEO-optimized" with a Wordpress plugin. There's no meta description, no keywords (not used by Google, but still valuable for lesser search engines), 2 outside links (a google search turns up 73, but many of them are dated, as far back as 2006. Google likes freshness as well as quality.), and NO social media presence whatsoever. (One post to Facebook from 2012, and no company page.) In good news, you're all over Pinterest -- but without your own page and buy buttons, it's clearly not doing you any good.

    You might compare your site to a (more or less direct) competitor or two. This is one I have helped with SEO linkbuilding: www.lapuertaoriginals.com. SEO is not fast to produce results, but combined with some other ideas I have, you should be able to get traction (sales!) for the Xmas season. If you want to contact me offline: modza@odzaconsults.com Michael Odza
  • Posted by Gary Bloomer on Accepted
    Quickly, on first blush. At the top of your site it says: STORAGE CABINETS. That's it. Nothing else. This gives me, were I in the market fro these kinds of cabinets, NO OTHER INFORMATION.

    Make me work for my solution and I'll bale. Therein lies your answer.
  • Posted by Mike Steffes on Accepted
    The site just doesn't give me the feel I think I should get when looking for high end designs.

    Descriptions in small font (all caps too), prices in large, bold font. What is with the cropping of the products in the pics? There's that odd, close-up header pic that seems to be always there. The products are almost always the only natural finish wood in the scenes. They often appear out of place in the pictures (show me how successful people use the stuff in beautiful arrangements.)

    I have to send you an email for "Special Offers on pricing"? Great, so now I'll look like an idiot if someone I know says they got there's for a better price... unless I invest who-knows how much time on contacting you about your products.

    Too long, complex sentences that waste my time because they don't say much of anything anyway. I just want some quality, fine crafted wood stuff for God's sake. But I refuse to go on some kind of quest to get it.

    "Write us to discuss particulars with shipping to Hawaii or Alaska." What??

    It is for these reasons, and several others, that you are getting chopped.
  • Posted by jstiles on Accepted
    Woocommerce is a powerful ecommerce engine for Wordpress, Thats a good start.

    If I understand your situation correctly, it sounds like the company has been successful in non-web sales but the ecommerce effort launched this year has not yielded satisfactory results.

    It looks like you are using a paid search of some sort, is that Adwords?
    If that is the case your ads may make a big difference, is there a compelling offer and call to action in them. Have you limited the overlap and do you have a broad list of keywords? have you analyzed the data to activate negative keywords to target more appropriate users?

    Why have you narrowed down the links to only the storage landing page? While it may be the more popular item for the client in non-web sales, did you also determine that online customers looking for high end patio furniture search primarily for storage units? My guess is that the search traffic may be greater for other items, you may consider including those in the mix.

    I also suggest standardizing your catalog images. establish a set of dimensions for all product pics so that grid style gallery layout looks more uniform. It just is more appealing and comfortable for the users.

    You did not mention the pages typically entered and exited, do users enter on the product page? do they exit from a specific product? othe rpage? there may be clues in those patterns.

    Finally, if you plan on selling high end furniture you may want to have a designer adjust your typeface and color pallet on the theme. I think you may benefit from an elevated production value, shoot for a more dramatic look. I like the furniture there, but if I was in the market I probably would have left that site and gone to a frontgate or other multi-brand site where I have more choices.

    Basically, if you plan on converting users I think you need to focus more of refining your leads to high quality clicks, and when a user hits your page it should be a visually impactful presentation that captures and holds their attention. Product details should be readily available and the checkout process streamlined and intuitive. You need this to be totally easy for the users.

    Also, consider Pintrest, houzz and youtube as lead generators.
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    Your comments are counter to 18% of visitors are returning. Brookbend has been online since 2001. The notion that addng branding and copy to the landing page would help convert better is like saying a car dealership only shows cars. My landing page shows what's critical - size, design and price. And with all the clicking people do prior to reaching my site, one more click is a no-brainer. If it were only that easy elsewhere. I suspect because I did no advertising this year before August, I'm only getting researchers now. No one buys my products spontaneously. I've seen 1-year cycles, and several months is typical. But this isn't the first time paid ads land on a product gallery page. And the landing page copy that was on the earlier site was only fluff. Basically the same.

    The STORAGE landing page I'm using is because storage is all I'm advertising now. So why my post if I have all the answers... I don't. They're guesses.
  • Posted by mgoodman on Moderator
    82% are NOT RETURNING, and 50%+ hit the back button without even looking further.

    I think you're being naive if you think that size, design and price are the only things that count. There's an emotional factor, or consideration, that may be more important than any of those. That's what your website lacks.

    Promote the sizzle, not the steak.
  • Posted by Gary Bloomer on Member
    A few observations: "Brookbend has been online since 2001." Good for you.

    "The notion that addng branding and copy to the landing page would help convert better is like saying a car dealership only shows cars."

    I said nothing about branding; I'm talking about offering practical evidence of solutions. The car analogy is flawed. No one's talking about cars.

    "My landing page shows what's critical - size, design and price." … aspiration is critical. Imaginative illustration of the solution in use is critical. It takes much more than size, design, and price to anchor these pictures in people's long term thinking.

    That 18 percent you're talking about? What of them? When they do return, what actions are they taking? Is that 18 percent generating 80 percent of your sales?
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    I'm sure that 18 % is doing 100% of sales. But in any event making upgrades is not expensive and should be done. I was exoecting tecnical comments, not marcom. https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://themorningfresh.com/files/2011...
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    It may be helpful for all of us, not just me, to compare with former site... Google wayback machine and enter www. Brookbend.com. If you found faults with current site you'll have a ball on the last one - where I've done millions.
  • Posted by mgoodman on Moderator
    I have not gone back and reviewed your former site. If you feel it was successful, why change?

    The reason for this post is to suggest that perhaps your reaction has been a bit defensive. You posted a question because you are getting a poor conversion rate, and when we offer a professional opinion as to why, you say " I was exoecting tecnical comments, not marcom." [sic]

    Isn't it possible the reason isn't technical? It has all to do with the copy, layout and/or design of your landing page -- a logical conclusion from the site statistics YOU provided.

    Wouldn't it make more sense to embrace what we've offered in response to your question and TRY what we're suggesting? Not much is likely to change for you if you keep on doing what you're doing now.

    We are really trying to help you.
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    MG I agree. No my last post in fact does embrace, although hesitantly. There is irony in asking for help, then refuting the help you get. But I suppose I'll turn around on the marcom subject.

    It is paramount to check the old site. Old site was taken down because its historical 58% Bounce Rate grew to 85%. I figured the site not being RESPONSIVE was the culprit. I could not make sense of what could be assessed from Google Analytics so I just bit the bullet. It could not have been made responsive with the typical ($500) investment. And the technology sucked, anyway. Was time to move on.
  • Posted by dalcid on Accepted
    Timberboxes - i remember when Brookbend asked for feedback on its web redesign a few months back. it needed a lot of work and it looks like some improvements have been made stemming from the M.Profs conversation and likely other conversations outside M.Profs. i'm glad you listened.

    My question now is: Who are the customers you are looking for? And do you have any demo data on the visitors making up your Google Analytics numbers you shared up top? If Pinterest is becoming a nice home for your products (excellent analysis from Modza up there, btw), you might need to rethink how people are using your site. I suspect -and I could be way off base here- I suspect that your images are being repurposed; folks are doing e-renovations and wish lists, then doing Google Image Searches etc, and they stumble upon your images. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. But there is an opportunity there for branding to extend beyond these tertiary destinations. If possible (I'm not a master on web analytics, but deffo find one for Brookbend), think about:

    - tagging your pics and following their web journey

    - watermark your pics

    - establish a stronger social media presence. it's A LOT of work, but it can and will pay off with its web-based word-of-mouth. obviously, the amount of time devoted to social is the question. i see that you don't have testimonials on the site still, but social can bridge that gap

    - blog. i would say a very large percentage of those in the market for any patio furniture know or even care about quality differences. a lot of folks see it as disposable. let your blog speak the differences. i mention the blog because it can/will be a major source of web activity. and if not a text blog, then consider video-based blogging with a youtube channel or vine or vimeo or whatever it is that hip folks like these days. You can make excellent videos with a smartphone these days, so you don't have to spend a fortune on it.

    Furniture buying off the web takes a lot of commitment and faith from the customer. I'm looking at your products, and that's a lot of $$ to plop down. Finding the likelihood that your customer-base is even interested in buying furniture in this way anymore is a big ask that Brookbend should be asking internally. Not so much that you shouldn't have e-commerce, but perhaps that it shouldn't be the only evident way for one to connect with your products.
  • Posted by saul.dobney on Accepted
    I also feel that the new site lacks 'sizzle'. The photography in your old site works a lot better than the new photography. The current shots focus on the wood and build - the things carpenters appreciate - much more than the mood of a product in use. The old site also feels like there is more on offer - more links, more images and a little more life. I think some of this has to come through to the new design more strongly.

    For instance, one reason for going to a responsive design is to better cater for buyers on a mobile phone. So imagine someone in their yard or on their deck who's flicking through some sites and images. They'd want to be able to take the photos they see on their screen and imagine how the product would improve the space they're standing in, how relaxed they'd feel or how good the meal would taste, or how neat the yard would be.

    Now, for me personally I have reservations about some of the current big flat block designs. But obviously this is just the view of one person and others use them successfully. So a key is to do tests. Take your new design and old design and see how friends, customers and the odd stranger in your target buyer group react - what do they like and what's missing. If you need to, try a third option too. Next do some live testing. Try changing elements on the page (eg some of the suggestions mentioned) and see if you get improvements - maybe reinstate some of the older photos or trim some of the white space or shift to more collage type. MarketingProfs can take a guess at what would work better, but the only way to know is to test, test, test.

  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    The Washington Post featured my storage boxes.100 calls an hour. The Boston Globe...same feature, one call. Know the difference? The Globe guy showed one picture. You can't show our uniqueness (multi-function) from one pic. You have to show it in stages... 3 pics work great.

    My biggest disappointment is the landing page doesn't show multi-function. And frankly the current product pages do only 80% as well as the old site. This probably is THE problem.

    I'm studying competitors sites. Some landing pages for storage are worse, some better, some even brilliant. The latter do show the product accessorized. And it's practical usage. This is an ideal. If I show the multi-function I can catch up, and photo shoots aren't in my budget. The mix of quality between my competitors is no different today.

    My presentation is better obviously, on the product page than the landing page. A quick adjustment in my ads will solve this. But landing on only one of 5 storage product pages has its risks. They don't see the rest. But some clever maneuvering will solve that, or at least make a big net gain.

    Also Saul I agree the original site was a lot warmer.
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    KSA I think I like luckyorange. I have never been able to decipher Google Analytics path analysis.
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    KSA - I hate Google Analytics for behavior tracking. I believe LUCKY shows it better. But not sure how seeing what pages, and order visitors are taking, is gonna tell me why sales aren't happening. Can you offer a couple scenarios or reasons which might elucidate this.
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author








    KSA never mind. I bought ORANGE. I have a test format, in 2 steps. Will take 2 days to complete.
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    Yea. I figured all that out...in last hour. I have a plan and there's no better way. They've taken logmein to another level. The longer-term potential is also very big. Polls, etc. It's a great ap.
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    What's more... LUCKY is the same price as my current chat ap. Time to get rid of it. Because LUCKY has chat also. And it's better.
  • Posted by Gary Bloomer on Member
    According to this site: https://try.powermapper.com/Demo/ViewScan/a9b1f7b9-9c7e-454a-88c1-e78c3a226... 90 percent of your site's pages have issues.

    What keywords or key phrases are you using that the people searching for you are not using (and vice versa)?


  • Posted by jstiles on Member
    also consider, video vignettes.
    You say that your product requires 3 images to display properly in multifunction but you dont have the shoot budget. Video may be the answer, if you have to self-produce that may not be as bad on video. Do some select product demos and keep them to a few minutes. Sell the benefits.

    Start your channel on YouTube and embed the vids on your web site.Place a main one in the slider or home page, embed to product pages. Leverage YouTube free media hosting and insanely high traffic to your advantage.

    Reconsider adding details to your products. SEO does not index on prices and pictures, it needs text. If you are not being found, the best pics in the world wont be doing anything for you.

    Sell the benefits. When you go to a supermarket to buy steak what is more appealing, the boxed beef in the counter or the promotion sign on the wall with the grilled steak and tasty side dishes? Sell the lifestyle.
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    I'll return Mon AM to hand out praise. I'm waiting to get more visitors to confirm some hunches. I think I fixed the main problem. Visitor behavior seems to be better now.
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    The envelope, please.... KSA's "Lucky Orange" ap was key. Bounce rate on the landing page in question (all paid ads) declined to 68.75% from a previous 80.35%. While looking at live visitor behavior I saw a insidious circular navigation. Corrected by adding CLICK HERE to all images on the landing page, and also by adding the 6 product items onto the category drop-down tab. Images were also changed out to better show our multi-function products - a response to KSA noting the discrepancy between my ad copy highlighting our uniqueness and the lack of it as shown on the site.

    Other comments were also useful. And this post is a continuing example of how the Marketing Profs has helped solve some very complex problems for me. Thank you all, and best of luck to you.
  • Posted by telemoxie on Member
    But did you write any checks?
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    I certainly will. If I make sales. Until then I consider my hunch, and the advise behind it, to be theoretical only, and not the solution.
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    KSA send me your address here, I'll send a check. Or at timberboxes@gmail.com. I don't expect sales to happen for a while, in the off-season but I'm not waiting.
  • Posted by timberboxes on Author
    KSA - look at my original post - I know it's a non-paid forum. But I offered to pay if someone solved my problem. So I am. In addition to the customary MP points system.
  • Posted by Shelley Ryan on Moderator
    Hi Everyone,

    I am closing this question since there hasn't been much recent activity.

    Thanks for participating!

    Shelley
    MarketingProfs

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