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10 Reasons I May Not Follow You Back

by Elaine Fogel  |  
November 3, 2011

It's not personal. Really. You may be a wonderful person, a great dad or mom, a super human being, in fact. But, I may not follow you back anyway. Want to know why?

1. You haven't included any biographical information about yourself. How do I know you're not a criminal? A spy? If you don't reveal anything, then it's hard to befriend you.

2. We share absolutely no common ground. If you're into deer hunting,  pie-eating contests, and football, chances are we aren't going to have much to talk about.

3. Your previous posts are all quotes from other people. Yuck, my pet peeve. Sorry, not interested.

4. Your only raison d'être for social networking is to promote your product, service, or latest MLM scheme. Forget it.

5. You post about local issues, local places, or local deals---and I don't live in your city.

6. You try to impress me with your own accolades.

7. You tweet to say goodnight. (Gag me with a spoon.)

8. You post way too much and way too frequently.

9. Your profession or mission in life has nothing to do with me. I don't need a mortgage; I don't have an iPhone; I'm not investing with you; I don't need you to help me live my passionate life; I'm not interested in your first novel; and I certainly don't need a stretch limousine in Germany.

10. You claim to be a social media guru, yet you have 86 followers.

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Elaine Fogel is president and CMO of Solutions Marketing & Consulting LLC, and a marketing and branding thought leader, speaker, writer, and MarketingProfs contributor. She is the author of the Beyond Your Logo: 7 Brand Ideas That Matter Most for Small Business Success.

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  • by Carl Thress Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    I'd remove the last part of #10 ("yet you have 86 followers"). Just calling yourself a guru period is a turnoff. Other keywords to avoid: "ninja" "jedi knight" "rock star" or "sensei" -- all produce the same gag reflex you mentioned in #7. Unless you really are a ninja, rock star, or sensei, of course. Then that's kinda cool. But if you were a ninja, you probably wouldn't advertise that in your Twitter bio, and if you were a rock star, you wouldn't need to mention it. As for jedi knight? Just say "lives in parents' basement" instead.

  • by JT Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Every single Tweet has a link attached to it. I used to follow Guy Kawasaki and now I an not even sure if it is him anymore, it is all headlines and links.

  • by Robyn Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    11. I'm trying to keep my proportion of followers to followees pretty equal.

    12. I can tell from your profile that you're looking for a job...and you need to be following our HR account, not our corporate account.

    13. I don't want what you're obviously selling. (Also see #9).

  • by Sandie Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    How about the following reasons: I want to be your friend and follow you, because you are friends with people that I know, whether I know you or not. And, I met you one time, so I should be your friend now.

    I don't know about the majority of you, but I only have a few people that I would call friends that I would want to befriend on my facebook or twitter. But, I friend more than that, if they are business acquaintances, as I feel this is important in my field.

    Please do not post inappropriate things on Facebook and Twitter, this is not high school!

  • by MH Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    People who 'chat', so you get only their half of the conversation every 2 mins- Send a DM, email or chat on Facebook or MSN or Skype or whatever ... ugh

  • by Dara Schulenberg Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    You post others' content without crediting them or adding any comments or valuue

  • by Ron Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog


  • by Kim Proudfoot Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Love it!
    How about - they are porn stars or escorts and their pics are a little too revealing and their autobiographies aren't even in english or legible. I get a ton of these weekly.

  • by Terry DOherty Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Related to#4. Your only raison d’être for social networking is to promote your product, service, or latest MLM scheme. Forget it.

    You can't read (or follow directions)! My bio specifically says do not follow if you are a pitcher, quote others, or self-absorbed!

  • by Cathy Burrell Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    People who are following 18 thousand other people! Who are you trying to impress? Even with lists...that just screams relentless marketer, or automation tweet master...again...not interested.

  • by Matt Jacobson Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    #Excessive #Hashtag #Usage

    Not just promoting something, but over-promoting something with duplicate tweets over time.

    Cryptic bios that tell me nothing about you.

    Profile pics that aren't of you (i.e. a celebrity, your dog, a cartoon character)

    Following way more people than are following you, telling me you just want the follow back and could care less about authenticity.

    Fluffy tweets that have no substance to them and clog up my timeline

    I would like to add the word "maven" to the heap of annoying ways to describe your so-called expertise in social media

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Love it, Carl! I read a study result somewhere that says when you use words like, "expert," and "guru," it can actually improve your credibility. Go figure.

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    JT, I "get" what you mean. On the other hand, if people include links to valuable information, then isn't that OK? I suppose it depends on what each of us wants to get out of the medium. I personally enjoy learning from my marketing colleagues and will link to see what they've blogged or posted.

    Thanks for the comment!

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Good ones, Robyn! Keep 'em coming!

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    OK, Sandie, now you've got our complete attention. What kind of inappropriate things? :)

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    MH, I agree! How boring is that? We have no idea what the two people are discussing, but whatever it is, it has nothing to do with us.

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Well, Dara, I think I've been guilty of that. If there's an article I believe will be of interest to my Twitter followers, I will post the title with a link to it. I usually don't add a comment; I assume the title speaks for itself. If the writer's Twitter handle is easily available on the page, I'll add it to the tweet. If I have to spend time searching for it, I typically don't waste my time.

    Am I bad?

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    OMG, Kim, what's with that? And who the heck are these people? I already have a pet peeve about business women wearing tops that reveal too much. How cheesy. But why would a sexy young babe follow me to begin with? Duh, I don't think I'm in her target market anyway. :(

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Thanks, Ron. It's fun to write these kind of posts. It allows us to gossip in a healthy way.

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Wow, Terry, do you have that in your bio? Cool. And even when you set your parameters, they still follow? Not too bright.

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Cathy, that always makes me wonder, too. What about quality over quantity? The better number is to have 18,000 people following you. Then, it means that you may have something valuable to say.

  • by Marvin Kane Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    I have TweetDeck on my working computer in my office. I start each day eagerly hoping to see some good stuff. After all, I follow influential thought leaders in my industry. And sometimes I do get the good stuff. But sadly I always feel that these "thought leaders" are talking to each other in some sort of code and frankly I feel..... well I feel left out. And not only that, some of the people I respect the most tweet to say Goodnight. What's up with that?

  • by Marvin Kane Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Wow, Matt. I couldn't have said it better.

  • by Phil Lauterjung Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Here's an add to your #1 - people who just use the default colored egg avatar instead of an actual photo or at least their logo. Also, someone who is obviously (well, at least I think so) male and uses a photo of a hot female...who are they trying kid? Sheeesh.

    Nice list Elaine.

  • by Sue Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Great post and comments! I hate when a completely random person RTs a conversation thread you are involved in with a set group of people with no lead-in or relevance just to get into your feeds (very different from a standard post RT). Or people who #FF in mass with again, no relevance. That will not make me follow you! It's like walking into a networking event and just standing there and staring at a group in conversation without introducing yourself. Introduce, be relevant, you'll get in...

  • by Chris Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    I agree. Tweets with links only are extremely annoying. Especially if there no link free tweets. I will quickly unfollow.

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Marvin, lie down on my couch and we'll get through this. :) Just kidding. I do understand what you mean. Sometimes I see my marketing colleagues (the big guys) tweet each other from a conference where they are both speakers. Or, they are discussing something I can't figure out. You're right; it does send a message that we are eavesdropping on them and that we don't belong. I wonder if they realize that.

    As for saying goodnight? I have no answer for that, except, BLAH!

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Matt, I wrote a lengthy reply to your comment. But, it disappeared. :( Too bad, I can't remember what I said. Love your comments though.

  • by santiago Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    I would add something to the "guru" part... You follow more people than people follow you. Don´t you think so? and if you want, you can follow me @santiagorios (I do not belong to the 10 reasons mentioned above)

  • by Jo Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    i won't follow anyone who posts staggeringly vapid pronouncements like 'It's Friday!'....on a Friday, or self-adoring blather like 'yay, me!'. i don't need to know anyone's Farmville purchases, either. go get a life, cow herders.

  • by Tripp Clarke Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    SO true Elaine. I even wrote a blog called don't be a Qwitter.. a term from people who do nothing but quote others :-) One more person to NOT follow... the person who has 1846 followers and has never tweeted.

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    LOL, Jo! I know what you mean about those Facebook apps. And have you noticed how many people are posting that stuff DURING work hours?

  • by Kelly Tirman Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Elaine -
    There is a lot about this post I don't really agree with. Would you like to debate it here or take it offline first?

  • by Kat Mindenhall, LCSW Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    I'm fairly new to Twitter and I'm trying to build my community, so right now it looks like 50% of the people I follow are following me back. I hope to not come off as a shameless self promoter! It's hard to learn these little things at first. One day to my horror I had realized that I tweeted 7 times by mentioning folks and thanking them for following me. I wonder if folks are already blocking me for my excessiveness! But I'm already seeing everything that you guys are mentioning and agree on all accounts!

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Thanks, Phil. Yah, that egg avatar is annoying, isn't it? Gee, I never even thought about guys using photos of hot women. That's lame.

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    You and I share a pet peeve, Tripp. Why can't they say something original for a change?

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Kelly, feel free to say it here so we can all participate in the discussion. As long as it's clean and friendly, bring on your two cents! :)

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Kat, if you come clean and admit your newness, people will cut you some slack. You can always offer to give them a free counseling session if they follow you back. :)

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    The number I follow usually evens out with my number of followers, Santiago. I usually wait until the end of the day to check the new followers and decide if I'll follow them back or not.

    When I first started on Twitter, the system wouldn't allow me to follow too many more people than followed me. They have a ratio they maintain. Unless, of course, one is a celebrity.

  • by David Reich Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Elaine, I don't have any to add, but I especially agree with #3, 7 and 8. There's already too much inane chatter on Twitter, and I'm looking to add to the load.

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Thanks, David. Maybe they should have named the site Chatter? :)

  • by Davina K. Brewer Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    I agree w/ much of this.. as nothing but pithy quotes is also one of my peeves. Heck, I've done a few "signs of an UNFOLLOWED tweeter" posts - ok, rants - myself.

    In your reply to Dara, you mentioned not always commenting on everything you tweet; that's fine, if you read something you think it worth sharing. I don't always comment on everything I share, sometimes just add a little comment via my tweet. Now giving credit, I really try to do that; yes it's a PITA and bad social media to make me have to hunt for a handle to attribute a post, but at least try. I've seen several big tweeters who tweet nothing but links (another peeve discussed) and NONE with due credit; unfollowed.

    And since you're open to Kelly's objections, I'll say that while I get #2 and #9 - believe me, I'm as much about relevance and value as the next person - isn't that at least part of this social experiment, meeting new and different people? Not talking throwing the gates open, but I've rethought my Twitter strategy in that light. Trying to think and meet people outside my little box, maybe expand my network, learn something new. FWIW.

  • by Elaine Fogel Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Davina, I commend you for being more open to people outside your purview. I would do that, too, however, my social media strategy is focused on my business and professional interests and I am already overwhelmed with the time investment. When I semi-retire... :)

    I see what you mean about not giving credit. I have a question for you. Once you click through, you can see the page is from someone else and not the sender. Is that good enough or is it bad form?

  • by Lorraine Thu Nov 3, 2011 via blog

    Terrific post. I agree with every one of your 10 no-follow rationales. I also don't follow people who...

    *Show skin. I don't want to see cleavage, pecs or even shoulders on women or men. While Twitter is fun, it's also about business and bare torsos don't have a place here, IMHO.

    *Mention religion. I firmly believe in separation of church and Tweetstream.

    * Have NO tweets in their Tweetstream, not a single one.

    * Have a locked account.

  • by Artee Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    Great post Elaine. Agree with all. Also I would not follow you:
    * if you retweet some of your tweets that have been retweeted by others. Sadly see this in some social media experts :-/
    * Or you repeat the same tweet more than twice. I already have too many updates happening every minute, i really don't like repeat info

  • by Brad Shorr Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    Lots of great filters in this post and discussion. As a fan of visually comprehensible conversation, I dislike overuse of hashtags, weird characters and spacing, exaggerated punctuation. If I look at someone's stream and don't see at least one post among the first 10 or 20 that interests me, no follow.

  • by Elaine Fogel Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    Lorraine, I love your additions to the list! I guess there are those who use Twitter for other purposes besides for business. I can accept that. But, that doesn't mean I want to follow back if my own objectives are business/profession related.

    I also think Twitter bios that include religious references are a bit of a turnoff. I'm glad people find strength in their faith, but that doesn't mean I want to know about it. We live in a very diverse society where specific religious overtones can offend others. Unless, of course, these people are tweeting for a religious institution.

    And, what's with a locked account anyway? Kind of defeats the whole purpose of networking doesn't it? They need to get a life and use e-mail or Facebook with their friends. Geez.

    Thanks for adding your no-follow rules to our list!

  • by Elaine Fogel Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    I agree with your additions, Artee. Sometimes I think people retweet ad infinitum to improve their ratings somewhere else. Good for them, bad for the rest of us.

    Thanks for your two cents!

  • by Kelly Tirman Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    RE 1. biographical information is important. However just like when you meet a person at a networking event; How do you know this information is accurate? So although I agree that a bio is important it is not for the reasons you have listed

    RE 2. people probably won't follow people when they don't have common ground. However I have followed and engaged people that don't appear to have common ground with me because I wanted to learn about their passions. I have learned a lot this way.

    RE 3. Agree. If you are only going to tweet quotes, I probably won't follow you - Not because I am annoyed by quotes but because it is a sign that you aren't looking to engage you are only looking to broadcast.

    RE 4. Agree. There is a great book called "Listen First Sell Later" by Bob Poole that these types of individuals should read.

    RE: 5. One of the great things about social media is it give you the opportunity to expereince things you would never get to normally. By following local experts in cities I don't live it I get to see the world. Instagram is also great for this.

    RE: 6. Agree. Again are these people looking to engage or brag?

    RE: 7. I totally disagree with you on this one. It is polite to say goodnight when you log off of twitter and there are people that you have been actively engaged with. It is rude to log off mid conversation and not let the others know.

    RE: 8. I disagree with you on this one as well. Twitter is a virtual networking event. When you go to a networking event do you work the room or stand in the corner and only talk to the few people you already know?

    RE: 9. This seems to be a restatement reasons you listed prior

    RE: 10. Agree. Anyone that uses the word "guru" probably isn't.

  • by Kelly Tirman Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    If you think of Twitter as a virtual networking event...
    Ask yourself what would you do if three of your industry thought leaders were standing around talking at a networking event?
    How would you introduce yourself? How would you join in on the existing conversation?

    The great thing about twitter is the access it provides to thought leaders you might not actually have the opportunity to meet in person.

  • by Davina K. Brewer Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    Of course people share things from other people, that's what most of us do. It's just.. I've seen too many folks just put all the cool headlines they can in a feed, with nary an attribution, just tweet one link after the next. After a while I noticed it's all about keywords, good titles.. and getting THEMSELVES follows, RTs. I'd to see least some credit: author, host site, something before the share. For example, the RT for this post didn't include your handle, but I took those extra few seconds to add it. IDK just a courtesy thing with me; yes I'd totally appreciate someone sharing my work but I'd also like the credit for it, ya know? FWIW.

  • by Elaine Fogel Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    Me, too, Brad! If they don't have many posts in their history, or if their posts are irrelevant to me, then why follow back? Thanks for these additions.

  • by Elaine Fogel Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    Good points, Kelly. Re: #2, if you have the time to engage with people outside your interests, by all means, go for it. I think this one has more to do with one's social media strategy.

    Re: #7, I can accept what you say. It makes sense. Then, shouldn't they include the Twitter handle they are addressing when they say goodnight?

    Re: #8, OK, you're right if the volume of tweets is relevant to followers and they're not just fluff and broadcasting.

    Thanks for the push back on some of the list, Kelly! Everything depends on what we want to get out of social media.

  • by Elaine Fogel Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    Good point, Kelly. I wonder though, if I interrupt two "thought leaders" in discussion, will I be intrusive? Is it bad form? Unlike an in-person networking event, they can't see my smiling face and friendly body language.

  • by Elaine Fogel Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    Davina, I really appreciate you including my handle in your RTs so it comes into my Tweetdeck and Twitter "mentions" stream. You're right - it's courteous and I do find it helpful.

    Your point about attribution is a valid one and I will try to be more mindful of it myself. Thanks!

  • by Debbi DiFonzo McCulloch Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    Hmmm... I'm not sure I agree with "unfollowing" people who are having a "conversation." I can understand if it's about your pet gerbil and it's 20 tweets long, but generally isn't the object of social media to be... ya know... social? Otherwise I totally agree with your list! BTW, every time I hear the words "Social Media Guru" I think of some guy doing yoga while sitting in front of a laptop. Is it just me?

  • by Kelly Tirman Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    I have seen people at in person events be intrusive, it can be bad form even with a smile and great body language. Finding your "in" is an art not a science - you have to feel your way in. Every situation is different.

    I think the key is not to interrupt but participate - in person or on a social platform.

  • by Kelly Tirman Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    I have seen people at in person events be intrusive, it can be bad form even with a smile and great body language. Finding your “in” is an art not a science – you have to feel your way in. Every situation is different.

    I think the key is not to interrupt but participate – in person or on a social platform.

  • by Elaine Fogel Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    Thanks for this addition. Makes sense.

  • by Elaine Fogel Fri Nov 4, 2011 via blog

    Debbi, what a hoot! "A guy doing yoga..." LOL.

    BTW, I haven't unfollowed these thought leaders who have public conversations. I sometimes do it, too. But, I first try to send a direct tweet, and if they're not following me, then I have no choice but to reply publicly.

    As for using the word, "guru," Dan Zarrella did some research on this and discovered something surprising: "Twitter accounts that use the word 'guru' tend to have 100 more followers than the average Twitter account."

    Thanks for weighing in.

  • by Terri L Maurer Mon Nov 7, 2011 via blog

    I agree with every one of your ten 'issues', Elaine, but would love to know what your magic number is for Tweeting "too much" or "too often". That is kind of a subjective thing. In addition to all of your reasons for not connecting, I have to add that I avoid those using Twitter (and other social media platforms) for no other reason than spamming or blatent advertising of their products. Another type that I am quick to 'unfollow' are those who clog up my timeline with nothing but their postings. Very annoying and definitely nothing that will move me forward into their sales funnel.

  • by Elaine Fogel Mon Nov 7, 2011 via blog

    Thanks, Terri. I agree about blatant promotional tweets. I don't mind if it comes from someone who has contributed a lot and promotes something every once in a while.

    There are some other exceptions. The daily deal and product type of twitter accounts serve a purpose. Those who choose to follow are doing so to take advantage of special pricing and discounts.

    As for the "magic number," I think you answered the question yourself. It IS subjective, and we each have our own tolerance levels.

    Thanks so much for weighing in!

  • by Shelley Rose Mon Nov 7, 2011 via blog

    #8. You post way too much and way too frequently.

    Especially people who send 2-3 tweets at the same time.

    Why would people even do that, we would only see your last tweet, and get annoyed with you.

  • by Elaine Fogel Mon Nov 7, 2011 via blog

    I know what you mean, Shelley. Sometimes, it's the fault of an app. For example, I use Tweetdeck. Whenever I post to my Facebook page, it shows up twice - once as a tweet and again as a Tweetdeck post. Haven't figured out yet how to reduce that down to just one per post. :(

  • by Belinda Weaver Mon Nov 7, 2011 via blog

    Great post Elaine. It made me laugh and I couldn't wait to add some more only to find your very comprehensive commenters beat me to it!

    I was going to add:
    1) nothing interesting in their bio. If you bore me in 160 chars you're probably going to bore me in 140!
    2) egg avatar (= spambot)
    3) too much flesh on display

    But I think I have two more that haven't been mentioned:
    1) they follow waaaay more people than follow them. I take this imbalance as an indication of the value they (don't) offer
    2) they post their Facebook updates to Twitter. This makes me rolls me eyes. I don't understand why people can't spend 30 more seconds crafting a Tweet. I miss half the FB update because there are half the chars available and I'm not going to click on the link just to see the end of it. Hmph!

  • by Elaine Fogel Mon Nov 7, 2011 via blog

    Hi, Belinda. Two more good ones here. Your second peeve reminds me that my tweets are also showing up in my Facebook updates. If the opposite bugs you, I'd better check to see how to cancel mine. :)

  • by Belinda Weaver Mon Nov 7, 2011 via blog

    Strangely enough it doesn't bother me the other way around! Probably double standards but I think it's because you still get the full message on FB. It only becomes obvious when there are hashtags (and Facebookers can get shirty about hashtags!)

    Having said the things that might make me not follow people, I love that you can roll with your own style on Twitter. Sure, there are guidelines and etiquette but at the end of the day, who cares what everyone else does! We can create Twitter streams filled with people we're interested in and listen in to thought leaders conversations and #makeupfunnyhastags. I love it :)

  • by Elaine Fogel Tue Nov 8, 2011 via blog

    Belinda, you have a point. Does anyone really care? Maybe not, but then I wouldn't have any fun writing posts like this. :)

  • by Suttida Thu Nov 10, 2011 via blog

    Completely agree with all of what you listed! I recently wrote a similar blog post regarding this subject too!

  • by Elaine Fogel Fri Nov 11, 2011 via blog

    Looks like you beat me to it, too! Yours was posted before mine! :) Thanks, I left a comment there.

  • by jmacleve Tue Nov 15, 2011 via blog

    You're not content to tell me why I'm not good enough to follow/friend, but you also feel that you have the right to tell me how I communicate with others? Please, DON'T follow me.

  • by Elaine Fogel Tue Nov 15, 2011 via blog

    Aw, come on. Don't you have a sense of humor? I can't follow you anyway. You posted anonymously.

  • by Laura Sat Nov 26, 2011 via blog

    Completely agree with #3, that is really annoying that people can't find anything interesting to say for themselves.

    Also this is not a reason that I wouldn't follow in the first place but a reason I would unfollow - when I immediately get a stupid automated DM saying hey thanks for following, now please buy this or fill out this form or sign up for this. I mean come on, we have just met!

  • by Elaine Fogel Sat Nov 26, 2011 via blog

    Good addition, Laura! I like your analogy about just meeting. It's so true. Thanks.

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