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The Digital Marketer: Larry Weber and Lisa Henderson Talk to Marketing Smarts [Podcast]

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Kerry O'Shea Gorgone
Wednesday, June 18, 2014
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Larry Weber is chairman and CEO of Racepoint Global, an advanced marketing services agency. He previously founded Weber Shandwick, the world's largest PR firm. He is the chairman of the board of directors of the Massachusetts Innovation and Technology Exchange (MITX), the world's largest Internet marketing association. Weber is a frequent public speaker on the future of marketing, the social Web, and the building of online communities. He is also the author of five books on marketing, technology, and leadership.

Lisa Leslie Henderson is a writer, educator and consultant, specializing in marketing, creativity, innovation, and social entrepreneurship.

I invited Larry and Lisa to Marketing Smarts to talk about their most recent book, The Digital Marketer: Ten New Skills You Must Learn to Stay Relevant and Customer-Centric.

Here are just a few highlights from our conversation:

Native advertising can enhance the customer experience, if it's well designed (04:51) [Lisa]: "What I'm hoping it looks like going forward is that it takes the Hippocratic oath, which is 'do no harm.' The key thing right now in marketing is creating great customer experience, and [native advertising] all revolves around the customer: It doesn't injure them, it doesn't annoy them. It makes them happy and delight[ed] and serves their needs. As long as native advertising—which is essentially advertising that looks like content and it's in a native environment so it looks like it belongs there, it's not a display ad, but sort of a news feed—as long as its serving the customer and it's interesting and it makes them happy, it's terrific. I'm concerned, though, that with a lot of dollars going into digital marketing...companies will not take the time to create the great content, and will just go with what they've traditionally known, which is a more advertising-oriented approach, which I think would do harm in the end."

Maintain an active social presence, so you can be part of the conversation about your brand that happens on third party websites (14:10) [Larry]: The way that prospective students research schools using third-party sites rather than university websites "is analogous to what corporations are facing, too. They pour all this money into fancy websites, and then people are learning more about your company in other places. That's why you have to have a sophisticated social strategy."

As the C-Suite evolves, we should see more CMOs become CEOs (17:08) [Larry]: "I think CMOs...are finally staying longer than just 18 months in their job. I think, second, we're getting other titles that have very similar responsibilities of the CMO, which are chief customer officer, customer experience officer, these kinds of things. I even think the head of service should be reporting into the CMO, and I think what else should be reporting in to the CMO is a bifurcated part of Information Technology, because there's going to be two groups of that. One I would call the infrastructure side of the technology, which the CMO shouldn't be overseeing, and that would be your security, your internal kinds of things, controlling energy, lights, the cloud, etc. But, on the side of software and innovation technologies that help keep you closer to your customer, from IBM to Salesforce to Pega, to the marketing automation companies like Marketo, Eloqua (which was acquired by Oracle), and HubSpot here in Boston. Those are that helps you streamline your marketing to connect with the customers in a regular and thoughtful and engaging way, and I think the CMO should have that direction. I think you're also going to see, in the next few years, CMOs actually become CEOs for the first time...because of their deep understanding of the customer."

Your Rx for content strategy: go for the minimum effective dose (24:21) [Lisa]: "The idea of the minimum amount is there's just too much noise out there. Part of it is people create stuff that doesn't have a lot of relevance. There's a two-pronged approach: (1) don't create anything that doesn't need to be created, and (2) make sure whatever you create is extremely relevant, that it is contextualized...that it reflects who that particular customer a way that makes really good sense for them. It reflects their past behaviors, the things they might have done and seen and downloaded on your website. You want to give them materials that reflect the knowledge they already have, and not be redundant."

To learn more about Larry, check out his Wikipedia page or follow him on Twitter: @TheLarryWeber.

For more information about Lisa, visit or follow Lisa on Twitter: @ljlhendo.

Larry, Lisa, and I talked about much more, so be sure to listen to the entire show, which you can do above, or download the mp3 and listen at your convenience. Of course, you can also subscribe to the Marketing Smarts podcast in iTunes or via RSS and never miss an episode!

This episode brought to you by the  MarketingProfs Professional Development Program.

Music credit: Noam Weinstein.

This marketing podcast was created and published by MarketingProfs.

This episode features:

Larry Weber, chairman and CEO of Racepoint Global, and Lisa Leslie Henderson, writer, educator, and consultant. Larry and Lisa-co-wrote The Digital Marketer: Ten New Skills You Must Learn to Stay Relevant and Customer-Centric.

Kerry O'Shea Gorgone is a lawyer, podcaster, speaker, and writer. As Director of Product Strategy, Training, she oversees sale and distribution of MarketingProfs' premium training products. Kerry also hosts the weekly interview show, Marketing Smarts.

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  • by Kerry O'Shea Gorgone Wed Jun 18, 2014 via web

    Thanks to Larry and Lisa for taking the time to chat with me! This was a fun episode.

  • by Linda Sherman Wed Jun 18, 2014 via web

    Interesting comments. I can always count on Kerry Gorgone for good work.

    Aside from the points here, I think CMO's (and book authors) should also pay attention to their personal brand. Silly little thing, but it just takes a moment to connect your Klout score to your other social platforms. If you have a Twitter account, Klout has grabbed it and only Twitter is connected.

    I'm sure @TheLarryWeber is far-underrated at 49. @ljlhendo is 43. Both authors have only the default Twitter connected.

  • by Kerry O'Shea Gorgone Thu Jun 19, 2014 via web

    Thanks, Linda. As you point out, Klout can only score connected networks. With five marketing books between them and Larry's having founded one of the world's best known PR firms, Larry and Lisa have clearly reached and influenced more people than could be tracked on Twitter alone.

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