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Topic: Customer Behavior

The Customer Is Always Right.. Or Is He?

Posted by telemoxie on 500 Points
Suppose we consider the following situation:

Mark Marketing calls Peter Prospect. Mark Marketing says to Peter Prospect, "I would like to introduce our company by sending you this 3 Megabyte file I just created." Peter Prospect says, "I would like to learn about your company, but I would prefer a much smaller file, or a link to your web site, or information via snail mail". Mark Marketing says, "but I would really like to send this file, I worked hard on it... can't I please send it?" Peter Prospect says, "no, I am the customer, and so I am always right".

Mark Marketing is irritated, but thinks, "how can I use this "customer is always right" idea to my advantage? And so he calls Tommy Telemarketer. Mark Marketing says to Tommy Telemarketer, "I want you to call Peter Prospect, and send him this 3 Megabyte file which introduces our company". Tommy Telemarketer says, "But I would bet he would prefer a smaller file, or a link to your web site, or maybe even a brochure via snail mail". Mark Marketing says, "I am your customer, and that means I am always right".

In this example, who is the customer? Who is "right"?
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  • Posted by wnelson on Accepted
    Dave,

    "The customer is always right" is a sales guy's adage used to argue with the factory to get his own way. It happens when a sales guy is not creative enough to collaborate with the customer to help him meet his needs more effectively than the competition can.

    However, ultimately, the customer decides he's right by spending money. He is the one who knows what he wants and needs. Sometimes a customer may not know his options and risks and Sammy Salesman or Mark Marketer can inform him, talk about the trade-offs, etc. But, when it comes down to it, Peter Prospect will make the decision. Cedric CEO has to decide how much he will invest to give the customer what he wants - or give up and go find another customer who is "more rational." If Ced can't find any customers who are as rational as he, maybe he's the irrational one.

    Marketing is about knowing and meeting customer needs. Mark isn't meeting Peter's needs. When he asks Tommy to do it his way - and Tommy understands that Mark's approach is wrong, Tommy has a choice: Go along with it and cash the check - even though he knows it's not going to work, or be virtuous (but poorer) and tell Mark he's not going to do it because he knows that he would be taking Mark's money and not able to deliver a result.

    In a consultative selling market in particular, the Knick Know-it-All is not going to be successful in a my-way-or-the-highway attitude. He will have to listen to the customer first and then provide the best solution.

    I hope this helps.

    Wayde
  • Posted by telemoxie on Author
    Thanks, Wayde and Jeff, for your thoughtful responses. I'll comment in more detail later... but let me quickly say that I first posted the question referring to a "1 Gigabyte" file, and revised this to "3 Megabytes", apparently while Jeff was writing his response. Thanks again...
  • Posted by Tracey on Accepted
    If Tommy Telemarketer knows Mark is wrong, and he wants to form a long-term business relationship with Mark, then he needs to not only make Mark happy in the short-term, but assure that he makes Mark successful with Mark's customers. If Tommy does what Mark asks but doesn't make Mark successful, Tommy is at risk of losing Mark as a customer. So, I think he can either sell Mark on his ideas (he could start off by doing some testing - sending big files to one group of prospects, sending a link to others)... or eventually he's got to abandon Mark and focus on getting customers that he can make successful -- or accept that he's just sort of fulfilling orders rather than contributing to the marketing strategy (so as others said, depends on what Tommy wants his business model to be).
  • Posted by michael on Accepted
    Dave,
    Peter Prospect just changed his name to:
    "Bear" Lee Suspect.

    The customer is not always right and a PROSPECT is less right. (GASP! said all my fellow sales people). This guy is not a customer. "Do you lower your prices whenever your customer wants a lower price...because he's always right?"

    If you don't think you can accurately portray your company's value in a smaller file, you might need to revisit the presentation.

    Send him a CD with the file. OR, send the link to your site where he can download it in segments. At each stage of the presentation, give him the option to download the whole thing.

    Sorry. YOU'RE right.

    Michael
  • Posted by telemoxie on Author
    Thanks, everyone. Some quick notes: personally, I make a distinction between a "customer" and a "prospect" as follows: a customer has previously spent money with you, a prospect might spend money in the future (and so someone can be both a customer and a prospect, from my point of view). But a part of this question was how each of you defines a "customer" - and I'll try to defer to your perspective as I address your individual comments.

    My personal perspective is also that it is important to draw a distinction between innovative products and services in the "introduction" phase of the product life cycle, and products (in the growth, maturity, and decline stages (see www.quickmba.com/marketing/product/lifecycle for more info). Specifically, products which are truly innovative, and in the "introduction" phase, need to be evaluated, then budgeted - and so the typical "qualification" questions will dramatically lower sales (a company will not budget for a product or solution is they do not know that it exists). This, to my way of thinking, is opposite from products in later stages, which are budgeted, then evaluated, (e.g. a server) and for which traditional qualification practices work well. With those general comments out of the way, I'd like to thank you and respond to your individual comments.
  • Posted by telemoxie on Author
    Wayde: thanks for your comments. I agree with most of what you have said, but I would add that there may be an additional complication. Specifically, I would suggest that an outbound marketing campaign which makes it tough for prospects (e.g. you must agree to accept a 3 MB file - or another example might be a lengthy form to get product information) may get BETTER results in the short term than a program which makes it easier for prospects - since the outbound campaign making tougher on prospects will generate fewer, more highly qualified leads for sales.

    Thus it seems to me that the drive to "deliver results" - especially the drive to "deliver results ASAP" will get lower market share in the long term... and the "long term" is something which the CEO should care about, but sales and marketing folks, under pressure for short term results, probably don't.

    You describe a "consultative approach" and "listening to the customer" - which seems to me to be highly important - especially for business to business folks with unique and highly innovative products and services. If those folks had started by asking standard sorts of "qualification" questions like, "are you the decision maker" and "do you have a budget", they may have never gotten to the "asking questions" and "listening to the customer" phases as you describe, and may have walked away from a potentially profitable customer.
  • Posted by telemoxie on Author
    Jeff - thanks for your response. I would agree and thank you for most of what you said, but I would disagree that Mark has a "right" to send whatever he wants. Specifically, I would observe that many firms have policies limiting the emails their staff receives, and so even if Mark has a "right" to send stuff folks don't want, it's irrelevant in some cases at least, since it won't get thru.

    I agree that Mark is the "customer" in the story, since he has spent money, but I'm not quite willing to grant you that, since Mark is the customer, he can dictate work methods and procedures to Tommy Telemarketer, who to my mind, is an independent contractor.

    These issues related to "span of control" and issues such as "compying with instructions on... how... the work is to be done..." are the most difficult issues which I personally face as a free lance "tommy telemarketer" type guy. (Fortunately for me, the IRS has published a helpul document referred to as "the 20 point test", which I now reference in my work orders). This could make for a lively discussion - please feel free to call anytime.
  • Posted by telemoxie on Author
    Evan - thanks for your comments. You describe a "customer" as someone who is right for your products, and interested in your products or services. This reminds me of one of my favorite former clients, who handed me a stack of information on 20 carefully selected companies, and told me, "these are my customers - they don't know it yet".

    I would comment that this sort of approach (qualification oriented) is highly effective (and profitable) for products and services in the growth, maturity, and decline stages (where most of the money is made) but that it would be much less effective for products and services in the introduction phase, where prospects without interest or budgets must be educated about your product. I would further add that a program to aggressively qualify prospects will result in lower market share - but if you are making higher profits, you probably don't care about that...

    It sounds to me like you wake up each morning with an "assumptive close" mentality - those folks who fit what you are looking for are your "customers" - you just need to get some paperwork done, handle a few objections, etc. Go get 'em.
  • Posted by telemoxie on Author
    Randall - thanks for your comments. While many would agree with your point of view, I would suggest that there are fewer and fewer of us each day. You have taken the buyer's perspective, Evan has responded with a seller's perspective. As a sales guy, I can see why Evan prefers "doesn't fit" to "lose" - since he needs to maintain a postive attitude and outlook and he needs to work at a high energy level to be effective.
  • Posted by telemoxie on Author
    Michael, thanks for your comment. You have suggested giving folks options, such as a CD, or a link, or sending a smaller file, and I think that is a good idea. I'd like to add a quick story if I may - I had called a company, and asked the admin fellow who answered teh phone he would prefer to receive info: email, regular mail, or FAX. The fellow on the other end of the line was silent for a moment, then said, "I get these calls every day, and in the six months I've been here, you are the first person to ask me that". It seems to me that common courtesy is becoming a "differentiator" in today's marketing.
  • Posted by wnelson on Accepted
    Dave,

    If this is just one prospect who says, "I won't take a 3MB file.." then it's an economic decision: You cater to him because his business (more specifically, the profit you would derive) is worth the additional work the taylor your presentation to his needs (e.g. the ROI on the invest is acceptable) - e.g. smaller files or a website. If it doesn't make economical sense, then you jettison the customer and capture the others in the best possible way (the one that nets you the highest conversion rate - i.e. the 3MB file).

    If, however, ALL your prospects tell you the same thing: We don't want no stinkin' 3GB file. Well, then your outbound marketing campaign will probably net very little. Even if the file were mailed to each, they will put it in the circular file and your magic file will not be viewed. Further, they could punish you for being so out of touch - i.e. your "brand" will include the supplier who doesn't listen.

    The difference here is where the prospect is with respect to the majority. And this is fundamental to the marketer's job - knowing what customers need.

    Wayde
  • Posted by Harry Hallman on Accepted
    First of all Mark Marketing won’t actually be able to talk to Peter Prospect because Peter does not answer his phone or return calls. So Mark having no idea that Peter would hate to get a 3 megabyte attached file sends it anyway. The email is caught in the company spam filter and marked as a suspicious attachment and is deleted before Peter gets it.

    Mark not getting any response with his call (after 5 tries) nor his email (after 3 tries) tells Tommy Telemarketer that he provided crappy leads. Tommy argues that they are good leads because Peter (and all others leads) is alive. He suggest that that he send 30,000 emails to people like Peter and add the attachment as asked. The email is opened by only 4% off the list and Tommy has no idea who opened the attachment because it was not placed on a website where it could be measured. In any case no Peters call for an appointment.

    A few months later after “suggestions” from his boss Sal Salesman to increase the number of cold calls he makes each day Mark is fired for being an ineffectual salesperson. He receives 2 weeks severance.

    Meanwhile at a company executive meeting, Sal Salesman, VP of Sales and Moe Money, VP of Marketing engage a fist fight over who is responsible effort plunging sales. Moe is fired because Sal’s second cousin’s daughter is a friend of the CEO’s daughter. He receives 3 month salary.

    A year later the board of directors fires the Moe and the CEO because sales have been dismal. Moe gets a one year payoff and the CEO takes his golden parachute of $10,000,000. The stock drops like a stone and the shareholders lose a fortune. The company goes through a “staff adjustment” and a series of “strategic consolidations”.

    Where are they now?

    Mark decided to get out of the business and opened a Sub Shop.

    Peter Prospect works for the same company and has received several promotions.

    Tommy is still sending emails for internal clients, because they know best.

    Sal went to a competing firm where he initiated a 200 cold call a day policy for the sales team. Company sales have starting dropping, but the CEO is happy because everyone is works so hard.

    Moe took 6 months off and started his then started his own Advertising Agency.

    CEO decided to run for president of the United States and used $3 million of his own money. He won.
  • Posted by darcy.moen on Accepted
    The customer is always right, and you ignore their requests at your peril.

    He who has the gold, makes the rules. You want the gold, then do whatever the customer says to get the gold. Once you get the gold, you still have a moral obligation to ensure satisfaction with the exchange.

    But all that said: not everyone is destined to be your customer. Some customers self opt out because they don;t have enough gold for what you are offering. Some are simply not interested despite having enough gold. Some have no need for what you offer. And lastly, there is the idiot filter. An idiot filter screens out those who are have too many demands for gold to be exchanged, or those who 'don't get' or understand what you offer. Idiot screens are handy to have, as it reduces issues, frustrations, and just plain pain in the @ss clients that suck profits away and cause you to loose other opportunities.

    Darcy Moen
    Customer Loyalty Network
  • Posted by Deremiah *CPE on Member
    Great Question Telemoxie,

    Listen up guys I think some of you are in the wrong career. You should be writing scripts, commercials or playwrights. Great dialogue and improv.. I've only got one question to ask "Who's on Third?".


    IF IN DOUBT SERVE THE CUSTOMER WITH PASSION...
    Well it appears that I'll have to agree with Randall and Darcy..."The Customer is Always Right". But if you're ever in doubt just serve the customer with passion. Passionate service always brings out the best even in your worst customers and

    ...if it doesn't just drop them.


    There isn't enough money in the world to support taking care of some customers even when they have money totting, cash wielding friends that can make you richer than rich.

    Just because the customer is always right does not mean doing business with the customer is the right thing to do. I'll be the first one to tell you that I feel just like my friend Tom Peters. Sometimes you just need to fire some of your customers. Sometimes it's just not Revenue efficient to do business with certain customers. But we also must be careful to accomodate customers on a level that will serve their best interest. Always give customers the benefit of the doubt and if they prove to be more difficult or more arrogant than ever then do your company a favor and move them along. And realize no company can be all things to all customers in a way that makes the customer satisfied ALL the time. REMEMBER... our only real problem in life is our failure to be "MORE Creative" than we’ve ever been. If you “Invent” your opportunity YOU WILL most definitely create your future. I'm only an email away from you if you need my help Steve. Is there anything else I can do for you?

    Your Servant,

    Deremiah, *CPE (Customer Passion Evangelist)

    *Caring Promotes Exuberance
  • Posted on Accepted
    This is not a case of the customer is always right. The problem is that the salesperson must always go the extra mile to provide format the customer understands and finds easy to access. If they want a smaller file, there is a reason and it should be addressed. The upside of this is that you can keep this created smaller file in memory and probably use it later. Are you more interested in making a sale and getting acustomer, or in your own convenience? If you can't help a customer that way, I assure you that s/he will find someone who will!
  • Posted by Chris Blackman on Accepted
    The old scenario about who is wrong and who is right is dead.

    The key here is what is a good idea. Sending people something they specifically asked you not to send is a bad idea. Game over.

    Forget whether they might have read it, or not. Chances are they never got it at all (due company spamwalls etc) and worse still, you just got blacklisted. Doors closed and locked against you for, well, a long time.

    When Mark calls Dave Doorknocker and claims to be right, Dave's duty is to give him good advice first and good service second.

    Good advice would be to tell Mark he's not customer-focused enough.

    Good service would be to say Dave can't help people who don't want to accept good advice.

    It's just not about who's always, usually, sometimes, or even only sporadically right. Marketing is about finding out and UNDERSTANDING:
    • what the market wants

    • where they want it

    • when they want it

    • how they want it (packaged, delivered, communicated, supported)

    • how much they are prepared to pay for it

    • why they want it
    ...and then finding a way to navigate those needs to sell it to them, profitably, for all parties, seller, buyer, and any associated intermediaries.

    Not to sell it to everyone, but to enough to make the whole thing worthwhile.

    You can't please all of the people, all of the time. But you've got to please enough of them to stay in business.

    Hope that help.

    Cheers

    ChrisB




  • Posted by telemoxie on Author
    Thanks, everyone, for your participation and perspectives. This question goes to the heart of some key issues that I deal with on a daily basis, working with clients... and these perspectives have helped me to ask myself some important questions about my service offering (e.g. am I a marketing guy, or a sales guy?).

    I'm going to leave the question open for just a bit longer as I digest your comments...

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