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Fine Lines

Posted by Anonymous on 2/9/2009 at 7:34 PM ET 1000 Points
The first that concerns me is the one reported to be between the idiot and the genius. From my perspective it is at least a solid and substantial rail that my Life rides on. But it’s more like an expansive shady area, where I Live.
Looking to one side, the idiot has no questions. Life Is, we are here to Live. Crisis and pain are extraordinary experience. That’s Life. I don’t care if the world goes to hell; I’m a street wise big dog type. Life goes on.
To the genius, questions are made to be answered. There wouldn’t be a question if there wasn’t an answer. The great question of Life (Why?) has been answered every time it popped up again after being answered, over and over again.

There is a fine line between questioning an idea and a personal attack. It marks an increase in the activity of the Unknown’s ‘big dog’. When an idea dominates the ‘personal religion’ (belief structure that quiets the ‘big dog’) in debate, rather than concede to the idea, attack is launched against the bearer.
The attack can be very subtle. It can even appear to be for best interest. But the genius with his seven years experience knows, even if the perp doesn’t. And believe it or not the attackers are usually the more open minded people. Their personal religion isn’t as solidly structured so it shakes and wakes the ‘big dog’ more easily.

Then there’s the line between trying and not trying, to understand.
What do you mean by…?” and “I don’t understand you” represent the opposite sides of the line.
There are sentences with subjects and verbs and all that stuff. The first would try to understand by asking to define the subject or verb and/or stuff which was not understood.
The second does not want to understand or does understand and is in denial. Either way it’s avoiding the awesome/scary idea of Change.

This is the only problem with any of you understanding the idea. The plan is very simple and has a very solid foundation, in known knowledge, and projects towards significant good results.
I’m trying to sell you something that you refuse to understand. That’s kinda like impossible for me to do but you still put the blame on me. I thank Mr. Wade Nelson for giving me the correct marketing term for my ‘competition’, the “do nothing” option. The phenomenon is not new to me, but another point of view is always good.
People, who tell me to do something worth while or quote Gandhi to me, sound like someone telling their grandfather he ought to get married and have children.
The abstract stuff I’ve been presenting to you all has been beyond rocket science. It is hard and maybe impossible for some to understand. Nobody will ever understand unless they make an effort.
That is why I repeatedly emphasize the simple plan to ‘teach the world a word’ is all that is necessary to accomplish the goal. It is understandable to anyone who can get past the ‘big dog’.
The ‘unknown’ to me is “Human Potential”. I know and understand the obstacle to my progress. I am working to overcome that obstacle with this group of marketing professionals. When the obstacle is overcome, we will Rock!

Ya wanna dance?

peace & Love
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  • Posted by michael on 2/10/2009 at 12:51 AM Member
    We don't like the same music...and mine is not dancing music.

    Michael
  • Posted by Mikee on 2/11/2009 at 7:19 PM Member
    Hey Tinker,

    I think there is a fine line between you knowing what you are saying and us being able to understand it.

    I really do not understand your post. Is there a question here, or did you just want to write.

    I must confess that your writing is often times confusing to me. I have read a few of your posts now and often times do not know what to think. You might be able to sway more people (marketing) if you can clarify your message.

    Mike
  • Posted by wnelson on 2/12/2009 at 12:49 PM Member
    Actually, Mr. Montalbano makes a point worthy of considering (versus dismissing). When there is an issue communicating, it could be that the listeners are just not listening well enough or it could be that the speaker is not speaking well enough.

    Since this is a "Marketing Forum" intended to further the marketing knowledge of the community who subscribes, I will not comment on your spiritualism, existentialism results, or philosophy you are espousing. After all, using this forum to further one's own cause would be a misuse of the "free" service. Out of respect for the other members, I will not submit my personal views or try to sell people anything I offer and will instead stick to marketing.

    The marketing craft starts with understanding the customer. Who are they and what do they need. Further, what are their influencers - the words and images that motivate them to a "buy" decision? These two things are fundamental to any marketing efforts. They set the stage for the strategies and activities to follow the analysis.

    Your audience here is the "cream of the crop" with regard to their craft and with respect to intelligence. Without taking data on it, I'd say the average intelligence quotient is well above average - and probably in the mid 100's. Further, the audience's grasp of the language and vocabulary is quite good. Their desire to learn and is high. Their methodology explore that which in which they are interested and seek to learn is well-honed and most likely mirrors the Socratic method. Most of the members here have no trouble conceptualizing. The members are by far the high end of creativity.

    Having read your posts, I must say that you aren't reaching them. Perhaps you need to use words and images that are motivating. Further, when you answer your "critics" by saying that they demonstrate everything that is ignorant in the world today and prove your point that we all need your "secret," I'm thinking that this doesn't help anyone to a "buy decision" either. Unless your point is you want to unite everyone by turning them against you. If so, then you have succeeded. Or unless you are talking for your own personal entertainment and really don't care if anyone is listening - if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a noise? However, from reading what you have said, I gather that your mission is to be heard and enlighten society for the betterment of all of us.

    In summary, you may want to try to use words and images in your conveying what it is you're trying to convey that are those of your target. These work to draw them in. If you want your target to be interested, you have to be interesting to them. You have to have a conversation versus a monologue. Speak to them, not at them. These are the key principles of marketing.

    I hope this helps.

    Wayde
  • Posted by wnelson on 2/12/2009 at 9:58 PM Member
    Sincerely, thank you for talking with me. I appreciate the insight and dialog.

    I agree with your intelligences and commend you for your work over the past seven years. When I spoke of language, I was not implying that you didn't have a grasp of language. It's clear from your writing that you do have a mastery of language. However, I am suggesting that you aren't speaking the same language as your intended target. If Puru (one of my close colleagues on this forum who is from India) described related a poem to me in his native tongue, no matter how many times he wrote the words, I would understand very little. Most likely, those words would lose their meaning and beauty if he tried to translate to English. I would still miss the point.

    In marketing, there are many, many brand new products that are new to the world. Some are successful, some aren't. By and large, the ones that are successful find a way to build a vocabulary with the customers so they can understand enough about the product to be curious - to want to try it out. Once they try it out, they experience the benefits first hand versus trying to vision that experience through words that either are foreign to them or can't quite convey the experience or both. This is the marketing point I was making.

    With respect to a "label" on what you are discussing - spiritualism, philosophy, or existentialism. Call it a way of living or thinking. A label is just short hand for describing something. The closest association I have to what you describe in your posting is philosophy or spiritualism, I used those shorthand words. I never implied that it was someone else's. You came up with it - It is your product. Great!

    As far as my comment on the purpose of this forum - yes, we all ask questions and benefit from the answers. And the forum benefits from the discussion. However, I didn't see a question in your post. I saw a lot of "answer" to questions not asked. I saw a lot of attempt to further a cause, not seek insight. I perceived an attitude of "I know the answer and only I know the answer and you all should want to know the answer too." That may not have been your intent, and maybe I'm the only one here who interpreted it this way - but from the reactions of others, I don't believe so.

    The purpose of the forum is Marketing. This is MarketingProfs. As such, I won't comment on my spiritual beliefs or attempt to spread them here - the audience and media are not right for that. It's not the purpose. I also won't engage in a spiritual discussion here. If I so chose to want to have a spiritual discussion or spread my own personal beliefs and findings, I'll find another forum whose purpose is that. Having observed the posting and the reaction to that here, I did feel it appropriate to discuss the marketing aspects of your approach to spread the word with the intent to help you improve your process and effectiveness of that process. You did not ask for this, so if I am out of place, forgive me. I did feel this was appropriate given the commissioning of this forum. As with any posting here, with this information, you may choose what actions to take or not. I am just one person observing and commenting. I easily can be wrong in this.

    Wayde
  • Posted by wnelson on 2/13/2009 at 12:07 PM Accepted
    You are quite welcome for my feedback. And thank you again for having a dialogue with me. I must point out that when you "just talk," as you have in this last post, you come across much more genuine and strongly than your initial post. I would recommend you use this voice in your marketing messages.

    I sensed you were trying to market your "product." With that, we can help. We do that here all the time. Note that we rarely judge the merits of the product. As marketing professionals, this is never our place. We practice the art and science of marketing as unbiased as we can. Many times, people come here and ask us something like, "how do you think the target consumer will feel about my product?" And every time, I write, "If you want to know what your target customer things, don't ask us! Ask them!" Ask us how to do marketing. It would purely by accident that you would find one or more of us that would represent the customer.

    In your case, using us to help craft a strategy and plan to market your product would be much more effective for you than seeking feedback or understanding of your product. It would be purely by accident that you would find many of us ready to listen to a spiritual message here. As I said before, that's not the intent of this site. Think of it as trying to sell a house in a Staples store. Sure, you might run into a few prospects there - but first, people would be suspicious of the salesperson because they just don't expect to buy a house in Staples nor do they see many real estate agents working in a staples. Second, the number of buyers of a house in Staples is very low. Buyers don't go to Staples to find houses.

    While I understand your desire to get the message out to anyone and everyone, marketing to members of MarketingProfs is inefficent - there are better places. However, if you are in need and were to seek understanding of how to market your product, THAT we are ready to do. In the course of seeking the understanding of marketing, we will ask you many questions concerning your product and you will have to explain until we "get it." This is also a good thing. You will develop the start of the common vocabulary on which to build for your target.

    Wayde
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