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Topic: Strategy

Which Comes First?

Posted by Anonymous on 1000 Points
Greetings Strategy-phobes:

Your thoughts about the following could assist me, greatly.

NFP believes that with the creation of a clothing line, they can create enough revenue to fund a "ranch" for kids (teens), where abused, neglected could finish their HS education, earn scholarships...etc. You know the story.

This is their primary thrust for revenue accumulation. A member of the group believes they could $5M per year in 5 years and $50M per year organization in 10 years.

What do you believe?
They need to:
a. Buy a ranch 10-20 acres
b. Buy 50 horses
c. Build living and educational facilities
d. Get educational accreditation
e. Hire Physicians, Social Workers, Psychologists and Teachers, as well as staff and administration.

The list grows...but, you tell me...whadayathink about this? Any and every thought will be well-received. Don't hold back.

Randall
WMMA
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  • Posted by wnelson on Member
    Randall,

    This strategy might be possible. However, some things would have to be in place:

    1) Ramping a new clothing line to $5M per year in five years will take a lot of marketing dollars. The market for clothing lines is pretty crowded. This includes channel development, advertising, endorsements, PR, and so forth. This will take some deep pockets. Maybe enough money in those pockets to set up the ranch without establishing the clothing line.
    2) The production end of the venture has to be established pretty well. $5M in revenue for a clothing line doesn't yield much profits - even if you discount the heavy marketing dollars. Margin on clothing is very slim. The creators really want to think about how much profit they need, not revenue.

    With lots of money, and great commercial and manufacturing relationships, this dream could come through if everything goes just right. But, I wonder if all that money and relationships could be leveraged to create a foundation and seek donations and forget the clothing line.

    I hope this helps.

    Wayde
  • Posted by Peter (henna gaijin) on Accepted
    Chicken first -so it can lay eggs for you. I believe they need to focus on getting the clothing line up and running and getting some income before they can worry about the horses, property, etc.

    If done right, the at-risk kids could be involved in the business in ways that help the revenue.
  • Posted by Jay Hamilton-Roth on Accepted
    My first thought is that they're trying to start a second business to fund the first, and each of these businesses are hard enough in their own right.

    In the past, when I've talked with non-profit clients, I suggest that they create a strategy for achieving their primary goal first. For example, how much $$$ do they really need? Can they find someone to bequeath the ranchland to them? Do they need to own it, or can they get a 99-year lease? Do they need 50 horses, or can they get local riding clubs to keep their horses on-premises, etc. Having $ is one way to achieve their goals, but there are many other ways.

    Unless they have the funds to start a clothing line, they're risking the chance to lose money in the startup attempt. If they're wed to starting a clothing line, start that business as a non-profit that donates 100% profits to the associated charity. Don't comingle the funds, nor staffing.
  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Accepted
    A building as they describe is going to cost $15 to 20Mil. I take that # from various HS, middle schools and jr highs I have bid on. Not including staff, horses, insurance (which is going to be very high), promotion of the school and accreditation. Remember that when you are doing a building project housing kids, even privately, you'll be swimming in building codes and other regs.

    I am sure there will be grant $ for this, but it's going to have to be ongoing. They can charge tuition but it won't be enough with this demographic to keep the lights on.

    An alternate is to find an existing school (lots of churches here for sale) with land suitable. You can hire an architect, I think these numbers are accurate, but kind of on the low side from my experience.
    https://www.reedconstructiondata.com/news/2009/09/rsmeans-dollars-per-squar...

    This is without land and furnishings, lockers, etc etc-- as well as the items I listed above.

    First, do biz plan (with extreme attention to financials) on clothing line. See where the break even will be and funds available for school. you'll probly find, as most startups, they're going to be red for a couple years. Then run one on the school, to see how much it'll take to fund this. See if the lines cross together anywhere.

    Non profits are so much fun to work with. Those board meetings kept me a loyal customer to Lady Clairol....

  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Member
    Here is another article to determine size-- TX requires a min of 36SF per student. https://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=T&app=9&p_dir=F&p_rloc=102796&p_tloc=14964&p_ploc=1&pg=6&p_tac=&ti=19&pt=2&ch=61&rl=1036

    But in googling around, most school districts in TX boast twice that. (Its bigger in Texas).
  • Posted by mgoodman on Accepted
    Nothing is impossible, but I think the NFP folks are smoking something strong if they really think they can launch a clothing line, hit those volume targets and make enough money to fund a ranch in the next 10 years.

    Challenge them to create a rough business plan for the clothing line, make reasonable assumptions (along with best-case and worst-case scenarios), and see if they still want to do this.

    I've had experience with launching clothing lines, and that's a very competitive business with tight margins and stressed-out buyers who know what it costs to cut-and-sew in China. Even if they spend enough on up-front marketing, get the funding for manufacturing and distribution, it's going to take a while to payout that investment -- let alone generate enough profit to fund a ranch! (Maybe a few acres in the middle of a desert somewhere ...)

    If they have the funding for such a [risky] venture, and the expertise and connections to get the clothing line into retail distribution quickly, they might be better off just putting that money right into the ranch. At least that way it's not totally lost; the kids will get some benefit. If the clothing venture loses money, the investment will be gone AND they won't have helped anyone except a few laborers at their sewing machines.

    This is a joke, right?
  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Member
    Last post, sorry I should be more organized-- it costs state of TX over 11K to educate each child, each year. That's probly an average as many schools charge tuition and still get subsidy. https://cppp.org/files/2/FAST%20FACTS%20ON%20PUBLIC%20EDUCATION.pdf. Just reference info to determine feasibility.
  • Posted by wnelson on Accepted
    Randall,

    I recommend they create a cold fusion power plant, sell the electricity which fund the clothing line launch which will fund the ranch.

    Do these folks have experience in the clothing business besides having visited Target once in a while?

    Wayde
  • Posted by mgoodman on Moderator
    If they sell $5 million a year in clothing, and if they can find a way to earn 10% net profit on that, they'll have $500,000 available (on average ... less in the early years).

    From that they have to fund inventory and receivables. If they plan to grow, the inventory alone could gobble up the free cash, not to mention returns and other sundry expenses that will escalate as they grow.

    I don't understand how this makes sense for them. It's going to cost them at least $10-20,000 per year per student, and if they're counting on clothing line profits -- from a brand new clothing line -- to fund it, they are just not facing reality.

    Please get them to look at a business plan so they can see how difficult this is going to be.

    Would you donate money to an NFP that plans to use it as risk capital to enter the apparel business? I don't think so.
  • Posted by mgoodman on Moderator
    Maybe they should hold a pancake breakfast every Sunday morning, and use the proceeds to create Wayde's cold fusion power plant, sell the electricity which will fund the clothing line launch which will fund the ranch. :)
  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Member
    Goodman is on a roll today, thanks for the laugh.

    But this is so typical of nonprofits. My last, where I was on the board and finance chair-- another board accused me of holding the group back from funding the sun, moon and stars. I shoved him the checkbook and said, "where is it going to come from?" His only response was I was just a typical "bean counter". Me? I have too many artsy classes -- my left brain has shriveled. My left brain is the size of a pea and the only reason I took on the finance thing is no one wanted to deal with money. But boy they wanted to spend it..
  • Posted by telemoxie on Accepted
    none of this is my area of expertise, but you asked for opinions, so here goes...

    I can not see any synergy whatsoever between a clothing line and a camp for troubled teens. I would begin by providing scholarships to existing camps and programs rather than building my own, and I would not limit my fundraising attempts to a line of clothing. If I felt my best approach to fundraising was selling a consumer product, I guess I would try something like perfume which is a high margin product sold to upper income people... but wouldn't it be easier to organize some fundraising balls and other charity events?
  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Accepted
    Few Fundraiser balls will generate this kind of income
  • Posted by mgoodman on Moderator
    Remember the old carpenter's adage: "Measure twice, cut once." They need to work this out on paper before they take any action. Do it in a financial model to be sure the money mechanics work BEFORE they even think about doing it in the real world.

    And then if the money mechanics work, they'll need to find someone who will commit to making it all happen. This is not going to be easy, and you'd like to have someone in charge who has a real passion for the mission, and an in-depth understanding of the critical success factors.

    Make sure there are milestones at every step of the way, and if they miss one be ready to shift to Plan B.
  • Posted by telemoxie on Member
    I agree that fundraising balls will not generate the millions of dollars of income that some might expect from a clothing line... but I believe that it could generate sufficient income to sponsor sending a few kids to camp.
  • Posted by mgoodman on Moderator
    CarolBlaha: Fewer new clothing lines will generate this kind of income ... and the up-front investment will be substantially greater [and much riskier] than a fundraiser ball.

    If the clothing line venture loses $2 million, and the fundraiser ball earns $25,000, then the fundraiser ball is going to be $2,025,000 more profitable!
  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Member
    Goodman I'm agreeing with you-- not disagreeing Sorry if I didnt' say it right
  • Posted by wnelson on Member
    Back to the pancake breakfasts that Michael mentioned: There are 15,000 churches in Texas with 13,000,000 members - like Carol, I Googled (I also played Pacman for 20 minutes, Happy Bday, PM). So if every church gave $2000 to start off the ranch and then $32 per year OR each member gives $2 up front and $.04 per year, the start-up and yearly goal of 24 students would be taken care of (taking the combination of Carol's and Michael's figures). This doesn't account for grants. Now, with her NFP experience, Carol's going to tell me this level of participation in donations is highly unlikely. But, I'm betting Michael will tell us it's more probably and easier than a startup clothing line making $5M per year in 5 years.

    Two business plans needed. First, how much is needed for the ranch startup and continuation with the number of students and then the startup clothing line. As Michael suggests, the dollars will not be there to make this work. The risks are huge. The effort to start BOTH together are HUGER.

    If the team has links in the clothing industry, perhaps they can use them to partner with an existing clothing line which would embrace their cause and donate money back to the ranch when patrons buy a certain apparel. This would be much less risky and much quicker.

    Wayde
  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Member
    Meaning bottom line-- none of this means any jack of sense
  • Posted on Accepted
    First, I second everything Carol and Michael said.

    I think the NFP is in the grip of a grand, glorious idea with little clue how to execute it, or if anyone will be interested once they do.

    I'm not an expert on either clothing lines or schools, but a few thoughts anyway.

    I do know that whether it's clothing or anything else, they'll need a good "hook": get the kids to design the clothes? hold a contest? t-shirt of the month club? adopt a design? get higher privileged kids to pitch in somehow?

    Why clothing? Is there something with a higher margin they could do?
  • Posted by Chris Blackman on Accepted
    Randall

    I have a good idea of the challenges your client faces, because I'm just concluding a stint of around 30 months running a series of key projects for a 130+year old NFP that cares for abused and neglected children.

    First off, the clothing idea might very well fly. It's just really, really unlikely based on all the reasons fellow KHE members have provided above.

    What your client really needs to do is establish a very strong strategic plan around how it expects to be able to deliver its services.

    Then it needs to find funding - starting with some cornerstone philanthropic benefactors - not investors - who are interested in improving the lot of these abused and neglected children.

    One potential benefactor is Government. State or Federal - they may not know it but they have a vested interest in getting these young people to complete their education so they can pursue a rewarding career, not devolve to a life of abuse and crime. (Statistics show the abused tend to become abusers unless specific and long-term interventions are put in place to break the cycle of abuse, neglect and poverty.)

    Government can be benefactors without becoming philanthropic. By deciding to fund this 'teen-ranch' program they will be funding a private (NFP or third-sector) delivery of services they might otherwise have to provide themselves. $5M a year sounds like a steal - what government can provide any quality programs of substance for this kind of money?

    With government providing the bulk of the required funding you can go to philanthropic benefactors for more funds to top-up or add services to the programs the government is funding. A well-designed marketing program highlighting successes with teen-clients (you'll have to use made-up names, actors and models as the client's confidentiality and privacy will have to be preserved) must tug at the emotional heart-strings but also highlight the economic and other qualitative benefits to society.

    So, in order, your NFP client needs:

    1. Strategic Plan
    2. Business Plan
    3. Lobbying Plan - a special marketing plan directed at government
    4. Marketing Plan - targeted at philanthropic donors - givers of gifts in cash or kind.

    Hope that helps.

    Cheers

    ChrisB
  • Posted by mgoodman on Moderator
    If anyone can make this work it's you, Randall. Hard to imagine how you'll do it, but the ultimate goal is certainly worthwhile, and they've found the right person to turn this into a success.

    P.S. How do they finance the inventory and receivables? That's the part that's most difficult for me to imagine. Are they using donated funds? Is that even legal (without jeopardizing their NFP status)?
  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Member
    They can get the funds for this anyway they want. But, it will be taxable as unrelated income. Unrelated as being a clothing manufacturer is not related to the core service your NFP for which they obtained their IRS status.

    Also, Lobbying is not allowed for a NP. You can skirt by this and call it advocacy. But not lobbying. While grant $ is available, it's competitive and tight like anything else. And I doubt a $5Mil grant for educating a group of kids on a regional basis is going to fly. But I do think grant money is attainable, so put in the budget a professional grant writer. I won two grants for my last NP, even though it didn't come from the feds, it was a beast of a doc. And then you have to show how you used it-- another beast. Then you have to claim it on the NP tax form, etc etc.
  • Posted on Member
    >>One store sells out every week, the other stores are slow to none. Obviously, this represents new strategies. So, they are in manufacturing, distribution, sales and marketing of a clothing line.<<

    Ah, so they're already selling them... but one store is doing well and another isn't. I'm sure you're already looking into why that is (if you don't know already).

    Still wondering how they'll get to $5milliion from that.

    Jodi
  • Posted by Chris Blackman on Member
    @CarolBlaha - I think Lobbying must have a different meaning in the US - what I meant was advocacy - basically talking to government to raise the plight of the prospective 'clients', the neglected and abused, disenfranchised young people - on their agenda.

    And yes, NFPs usually do have to show how they've spent grant funds. That's called an 'Acquittal Statement' here.

    In order to grow, NFPs have to be constantly searching out grant and tender opportunities. and tendering to deliver services (those services that fall within their charter and their strategic plan anyway) and applying for grants.

    Seeking out philanthropic trusts and bequests provides another avenue for potential sources of funding.

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