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Help Name A Collection Of Writing About Women

Posted by Anonymous on 12/10/2004 at 1:42 AM ET 6000 Points

A while ago Deremiah posted a series of questions that started a conversation about women's perspectives and experiences.

See the original questions here:
https://tinyurl.com/3jmke
https://tinyurl.com/6oksw

Deremiah had a spark of inspiration and extended an invitation to participate in a collaborative publishing exercise, where different forms of writing (from poetry to academic articles - fact and fiction) aim to give insights into women's world.

Unlike earlier feminist texts this book aims to explore the messy, unresolved issues that are pertinent to a post-feminist age, and will include in both men's and women's perspectives of women's lived reality.

The working title of the publication is Women's Eyes.

This question is two fold:
Is Women's Eyes the most effective title for this book?
How can we make sure that men do not think this book is 'not for them'?

And:

Do you have something to add to the publication?

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Posted by SRyan ;] on 12/10/2004 at 3:57 PM Member

How about calling it "Read this, Oprah!"

Just kidding... I'll give it some thought and post back later.

Shelley ;]
Posted by Inbox_Interactive on 12/10/2004 at 4:29 PM Accepted

I'm curious about the POV of the book. If it's that women still have a long way to go in terms of leveling the playing field at home ("women's work"), the workplace (lower salaries, glass ceiling), and the political scene (a woman for President?), that's important to know when trying to come up with a title.

I think "Women's Eyes" doesn't drive the point home deeply enough. At the very least, "The World through Women's Eyes," seems to ensure that we know we're not just talking about eyes here.

Also, if you're going to include viewpoints of men, is that working title really relevant or appropriate?

Looking forward to what the rest of the crowd thinks.

Paul
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/10/2004 at 6:06 PM Member

Paul,

as an artist/entrepreneur I would like to think that the title for the book needs to have an edge that is not only analytical but also metaphorical or even symbolical in nature.

Something that will really make you think a little beyond the words themselves. In other words the whole can be greater than the sum of the parts...The title needs only to be a simple reference to how women look, perceive and examine the world from their point of view.

The words inside the book will not limited they will be broad because I believe women are expansive and have an ability to stretch beyond the reference points we label them with.

Furthermore I believe that what men contribute to it would still reference this perspective. More than anything we understand that we can not be all things to all people and if we must we will consider doing separate books or titles for that.

These are just my thoughts and I am geniunely open to hearing something different from others but something that through the voices of women and men on this forum will cause us to think dynamically, synergistically and openly about this subject. We are creating history in the making. And hopefully through open dialogue that is not afraid to be expressive or passionate about what we think we reach a whole new level. Others with opinions that rock the boat or show something more valid than what is currently revealed is a good thing. Is there anything else I can do for you?

Your Servant, Deremiah, *CPE (Customer Passion Evangelist)
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/10/2004 at 9:14 PM Member

Alright Cal,

I think in the first part of your answer both you and Paul are looking at it from a "Male" point of view...(LOL), (ROFL), (LOL), BWF&L).

However now that I've stopped laughing I fully agree with the second part of your answer in terms of exploring some already established phrases but I disagree with this because you use Venus as an exclusive female symbolisim. (where is Deremiah going with this) Well let me tell you I struggle with this narrow usage of the word Venus because I am of the male gender but I am born in Venus so in some strange way "VENUS (IS NOT) EXCLUSIVE TO WOMEN". (LOL)...but I get your point Cal and I'm really pushing and pulling with this title thing as you can see.

Thanks for your input. But please Cal share something else additional. I mean you are the "CONCEPT MAN"! I need some concepts so be conceptual about the conceptualization of the concept you are conceiving so that I can be concepting about the con-cept. Get the Concept-Man!

Actually I like Jack's point of view and the position he's taking and furthermore he understands the business of conceiving businesses (click on) his profile.

Well what do you think Jack? or as far as that goes...

What do the members of KHE think?

Shelley do you know Oprah? I'd be willing to go for that approach.

How do you guys think Paul & Cal are looking at it?

Your Servant, Deremiah, *CPE
Posted by telemoxie on 12/10/2004 at 10:56 PM Accepted

Is the book for men? It sounds like it is all about women to me.

I doubt very seriously that very many men would consider a book on sex differences written by a woman "for them".

If I were writing the book, I would have one cover which said "thru women's eyes" (or whatever) and if you flipped it over, it would say, "thru men's eyes" (or whatever). Although the table of contents and high level subject matter would be in parrallel, the men's perspective would be written and edited by men, the women's perspective would be written and edited by women.

Or, another idea would be to write the book in columns - women have their say in one column, or on the left hand page, men respond in the other... and vice versa.

Do I have anything to add to the publication? Sure - I believe men are getting a raw deal these days. But without a procedure similiar to that described above, why should I believe that my perspective would be heard, after review by your female authors, female editors, and female proofreaders?
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/11/2004 at 1:22 AM Member

Telemoxie>(Is the book for men?)

YES

Telemoxie>(It sounds like it is all about women to me.)

In subject matter yes...but men will have an opportunity to participate. Because the subject matter is about women should not prevent men from enjoying the book. This may not be a good analogy and I am not trying to make it be a perfect analogy but the Victoria Secrets catalog has never prevented men from picking it up and looking through it. And men may read it more than women. I would like to believe that the subject matter of this book will be so powerful that it will provoke men to want to look inside and that's why I think Jack may have a very valid point with the title "For Women's Eyes Only".

Telemoxie>(I doubt very seriously that very many men would consider a book on sex differences written by a woman "for them". )

It's more than a book about sex differences.

Telemoxie you made an interesting suggestion about having a book that you can get two perspectives in.

Telemoxie>(Do I have anything to add to the publication? Sure - I believe men are getting a raw deal these days.)

Why do you feel that men are getting a raw deal?

Telemoxie>(But without a procedure similiar to that described above, why should I believe that my perspective would be heard, after review by your female authors, female editors, and female proofreaders?)

Your perspective will be heard because this book will not just be proof read by females or authored by females. And your assessment about female editors is incorrect because I will be editing the book and I am sure that there are enough men out there who really do want to hear the voices of women and some voices of men on the subject above.

If you are a man and you think you would be interested please feel free to chime in. or if you would not be interested please feel free to chime in.

I hope I've made things a little more clear in some areas and in the other areas we look for your true opinion. Thanks.

your Servant, Deremiah, *CPE
Posted by SRyan ;] on 12/11/2004 at 8:53 AM Accepted

I traipsed through some Amazon listings. Here's a sample of the 1,068 existing titles that come up when you search for "women's eyes" in the Books category:

Through Women's Eyes: An American History with Documents
Through the Eyes of Women: Insights for Pastoral Care
Voices Behind the Veil: The World of Islam Through the Eyes of Women
Women with Big Eyes

So... I'd recommend we stay away from the overused Eyes theme.

I think The Truth About Women would be clear, straightforward, and attention-getting. And it's not as commonly used in book titles as I expected. When I searched for "truth about women" on Amazon, most of the 64 existing titles that came up just used a phrase like "The Truth About Hormone Replacement" in the subtitle. Incidentally, go read the customer reviews on this one:

The Bitch in the House: 26 Women Tell the Truth About Sex, Solitude, Work, Motherhood, and Marriage
(I hope the link works)

That's it from me. I'll keep following this thread to see what ya'll think about my suggestion and to generate other ideas.

¤ Shelley ¤
Posted by telemoxie on 12/11/2004 at 1:46 PM Accepted

Deremian: I say that men are getting a raw deal because I have seen it many, many, many times. Haven't you? Here is just one simple example.

In the past, there were fairly well defined roles for men and for women. I'm not saying those roles were better, I'm just saying they were more well defined than today.

Today, women have been empowered in the sense that there are many roles a woman can play. She might play one role when her car is broken down, another when chores are discussed, she might play one role (a more 90's style "women are equal" role ) when applying for a job, another role once she has the job and someone needs to move something heavy... she might play a more 1950's "provide for me" role when she whines that her husband does not make enough money.

This ability to choose the rules of the game depending on the situation gives women an unfair advantage over men.

Men are under increasing pressure to help around the house, increased pressure to make money, increased pressure to compete against women and organizations of women at work, increased pressure to help with the kids... while having to spend more time listening to wives complain that they are confused and not happy with the many roles they are asked to play.

Shakespeare said, "All the world is a stage, and all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and entrances; each man in his time plays many parts." In my opinion, women play too many parts each and every day - too many parts for them to have a sense of continuity and peace, and too many parts for the others in their lives to know where (and if and when) they fit in.
Posted by Inbox_Interactive on 12/11/2004 at 2:33 PM Member

"Wearing a low cut top and a short skirt to get the deal is demeaning - but sometimes reality takes a top seat to ideology, and you do what you have to."

This never worked for me the few times I tried it. All I got were blank stares. Maybe my shoes didn't go with my purse.

Oh, well.

Paul
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/11/2004 at 3:02 PM Member

Paul, (very funny)

Maybe you had on the wrong kind of panty hose. (lol)
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/11/2004 at 3:45 PM Member

Telemoxie,

First of all I would like to invite you to write some more about this raw deal thing and forward it to me.

Life is what you make of it. Lately mine has been a self fulfilling prophecy. The times when it does not go well is either when I've made decisions without enough evidence.

Yes Telemoxie (I could complain and say) I've had a lot of raw deals but to equate them down to roles of gender and direct them toward the opposite sex is really, really, really stopping too early in the examination process...sometimes we have to go deeper. Humans like plants have roots. I've learned in life that there is always a deeper problem and you might be surprised what you find at the end of the root of......plants and humans.

Don't consider that having multiple ways to approach a thing gives someone greater advantages over you. Even as an artist I've found that having a whole plethora of ideas always seems good...until you recognize that you need to choose one to get started or else you become paralyzed by 'analysis paralysis'.

Telemoxie>"This ability to choose the rules of the game depending on the situation gives women an unfair advantage over men".

I'm not sure that's how it works. Are you also saying that men don't have rules of the game to choose?

...and if you believe they don't read "The Art of War". I'm afraid everyone has choices and we all will live/die, become happy/sad, rise/fall, laugh/cry, succeed/fail over the decisions we make. It' not what circumstances happen to us but "How WE happen to the circumstances" that ultimately determine how we feel about where we are and where we end up.

FOR EXAMPLE...WHO SHOULD I HAVE BLAMED
If I would have become a failure in life should I have blamed the divorce of my parents, my mother's mental illness, our being on the welfare system after the divorce of my parents, having lived in the projects or a mice infested hole in the wall with dope dealers, drug users, pimps & prostitutes, or should I have blamed America for being born black or should I go back further to European slave traders who bought slaves or even some of the kings of Africa or maybe just maybe the fact that I think that women have more choices then me?

Where does the blame end or the road to greatness begin? It surely does not rest in the hands of another when my hands & mind are more than able to achieve the things I put them to work on.

Yes I've heard the office jokes that "women make the rules" told by both sexes and we know that sounds like another stereotype built on pride and insecurity (now you decide if men and women both bragg about this women creates the rule joke...whose insecure and whose all puffed up in pride?).

Telemoxie we all have the right to believe what we want but we must also at least give others the right to believe as well. If women were doing so great at really taking advantage of the benefit you give them credit for why are a lot of women still struggling?

My raw deals are not based on my masculinity or some woman whose better than me at "role playing" because if "All of the world is a stage" as Shakespeare says it sounds like a lot of men need to work on taking some more acting classes. Remember the commercial "Never let them see you sweat" unless you're a real man and you're not afraid of what they think.

Well let's get some more ideas that will challenge the title.

Your Servant, Deremiah, *CPE (Customer Passion Evangelist)
Posted by telemoxie on 12/11/2004 at 4:28 PM Member

Michele - sorry if I was unclear: I do not believe the incredible number of roles imposed on today's women is a good thing for them - I agree with you that is is an unfair burden. It has caused problems for women, it has caused problems for men as well.

Deremiah: I've offered my perspective - let's see what others have to say.

Regarding a title for the book: I'm not sure I understand what "women's lived reality" means - but if the book will address the issues faced by women trying to play multiple roles in today's changing society... I would remind readers of a book written by a woman years ago, in which she explored the idea of combining unique traits of multiple men into a single superman - and I would title the book, "Frankenwoman".
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/12/2004 at 5:48 AM Member

Michelletrex,

This leaves you in good standing in my book only because some of my best deals have been between me and women...but to be fair to the process so have some of my worst. This only leads me to believe that universally there are good things and bad things in all genders, cultures, races, ethnic groups because there is free will. And with free will comes decisions to do. I hope that helps. I'm sure there are some men here on KHE who might feel differently than me but Shakespeare said it so eloquently...

”This above all: to thine ownself be true, And it must follow, as the night the day,Thou canst not then be false to any man.”
-Shakespeare-Hamlet
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/12/2004 at 6:58 AM Member

michelletrex,

to answer your question specifically (read below)

Have you ever reneged on a handshake deal? No (and almost 90% of the business I do is by handshake). I have even done business by email, phone call and without a handshake.

Would you?-----No (and to be more revealing I've never even considered it but the people who have reneged on a handshake deal with me never said that they would. They always said that they would not.)

And with whom would you consider never breaking your word?

DDP-----I would never even consider breaking my word with anyone.

Does gender come into it?

DDP-----No...Why should that matter?

I just read on your profile and you are publishing a mini book. Do you have a web site?

DDP-----Not for the book yet...Do you have something on your mind?

I look forward to your reply.

Your Servant,

Deremiah
Posted by SRyan ;] on 12/12/2004 at 1:15 PM Accepted

Michelle, thanks for the Tupperware! ;]

Everyone, my favorite titles so far are The Truth About Women and Read My Mind.

Not crazy about the men-on-women-on-whatever theme.

It seems like a useless exercise to come up with a subtitle at this stage -- my bet is that once Deremiah starts assembling his content, a subtitle will become clear.

- Shelley
Posted by SRyan ;] on 12/13/2004 at 6:31 AM Member

Michele, I am laughing so hard, my breasts hurt!

- Shelley
Posted on 12/13/2004 at 10:21 AM Accepted

I have to say that the forum girls rule. Funny, interesting, intelligent multi-taskers. My kind of ladies.

My idea for a title to this "compilation of short stories":

Perspectives from the female mind

I realize it may seem trite, but I like the word "perspectives" for a book title because I personally do not like to read books that preach. Rather, I enjoy reading personal stories that suggest a life lesson and give me a perspective into the lives of others.
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/13/2004 at 1:22 PM Member

Great input.

Thanks for joining in everyone and offering some input. I am genuinely interested in the input of others across gender lines. The goal of the book is not to reconcile the argument for equality but more to acknowlege our varying perspectives. Right now our discussion on the title of the book will hopefully shape the decisions we make as we move forward. Our forum is a small microcosm of what we believe is a larger audience of people who also would consider participating with us on a world level. Your input is very important and our dialogue back and forth is helping us prepare to give birth to something quite interesting. Cal thanks for staying involved. Michele you're doing a great job and so are those of you who are adding humor to this thing...even that helps.

Deremiah
Posted by telemoxie on 12/13/2004 at 7:19 PM Accepted

I hope I'm not offending anyone too deeply...

... but you want open discussion, and say you want this book to also address a male audience. Quite honestly, I'm much more interested in specific and actionable steps which I can take to improve a situation, and I'm much less interested in understanding women's perspectives and feelings...

I'm sure there is major benefit to both women and men in an open and frank forum and discussion of all these issues - but I'm sure I'm speaking for a very large number of men whose wives or significant others often confuse them, and want to know what specific things we could be doing.

Example situation: my wife is having a difficult time emotionally because her oldest daughter has gone to college.

My perception of what this book might contain: poetry, writings from other women sharing common experiences, artwork, stories about their daughters going to college, etc.

As a man, here is what I would want:
1) do this
2) do that
3) do this other thing

The women's sections deal with "let's share our feelings" - the men's sections tells us, "here's something you can do".

I might not read the book cover to cover - but I might use it as a sort of a reference manual or cookbook which could get me thru some sticky situations.
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/14/2004 at 1:46 AM Member

Great input, now were getting where the nit meets the grit.

Kate-----great input. Would you be interested in helping us flush this idea out (i.e., maybe helping out a little)

Telemoxie, do your thang man and always feel free to say what you mean…this is not a post for the shallow intellectual or the weak minded…we’re really looking for some things to begin to take shape and finally take off. If actionable steps are what moves you help us to understand how we can implement it without it becoming stagnant.

Telemoxie----“I'm much less interested in understanding women's perspectives and feelings...”------Well Telemoxie what would you like to know about women if you’re not interested in understanding their perspectives and feelings?

THE STORY ABOUT WHEN THE..."SHOE"...WAS GOOD.
It’s always been my understanding that women don’t want men to find out by them having to tell men what to do. “Can I Be Real” It seems they want us to get into them like we “acted like we were into them before we took them to ”. You know what I mean…men tend to lose this sensitive side to themselves somewhere after they’ve tried on the shoe to see if it fits. In the beginning the shoe felt good, the shoe fit good (we wanted the shoe all the time) but after most men have had the shoe for a while they lose the sensitive side and then instead of being attentive they want to move to I don’t want to really have to try to get into you in order to figure you out “just tell me”.

Michelletrex---I believe “Read My Mind” is an excellent title that will get us a lot of mileage and traffic. Don’t tell anybody I said this because it may not be considered very masculine but I agree with you…”well don’t tell me anymore Michelletrex, let me read your mind”

Cal, Keep it coming man…you’ve got skills.

Contact a friend and ask them to join in on this post I’m ready for it to open all the way up.

Your Servant,

Deremiah
Posted by tjh on 12/14/2004 at 3:07 PM Accepted

Venus Thinking
Venus Views
Venus Speaking
What Venus Wants - And Why...
The Venus Minds

(just a quick shot... )
Posted by ReadCopy on 12/15/2004 at 6:32 AM Accepted

Back to your original question and I like "Womens Eyes" as a title.
You could also play with some of the classic titles from womens literature, maybe used as a sub title:

The Awakening
The Bell Jar
Birdsong
Bridget Jones' Diary
The Color Purple
Fear of Flying
Gone With The Wind
The Handmaid's Tale
I Capture The Castle
Jane Eyre
The L-Shaped Room
Little Women
Middlemarch
Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit
Pride And Prejudice
Rebecca
Tess of the D'Urbervilles
To Kill a Mockingbird
To the Lighthouse
Woman on the Edge of Time
The Women's Room

This is the process so you can try this yourself:
https://www.marketingprofs.com/ea/qst_question.asp?qstID=3466#24463

Also try this which is also useful:
https://www.yudkin.com/generate.htm

Good Luck
Posted by SteveByrneMarketing on 12/15/2004 at 3:15 PM Accepted

Enjoying this post … somewhere along this thread I started thinking about “Mind Dialogues”.. ..“Her Mind Dialogues (& His”) or “InterDialogues (He & She)” or just "Dialogues (Hers & His)" or “She thought, He thought”.

Also lead to “Dialogues of the Heart (hers and his)” or ???

Not sure where this will lead, just a thought …

- Steve
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/16/2004 at 12:13 AM Member

Thanks everyone, Thanks everyone's.

I really appreciate all of the hard work everyone has added to this post. We believe this idea is about to take off as we continue to add to the overall general theme of the ideas.

"Read My Mind" has a wonderful flavor to it so what does everyone think about this title?

What can we do to reinforce our theme through it?

What kind of sub-titles do you think could further enhance the whole purpose of the book and give it that additional eye appeal when it sets on the book store shelf?

Come on everyone dream a little bit with me on this thang.

Deremiah
Posted by SteveByrneMarketing on 12/16/2004 at 2:58 PM Accepted

"Read My Mind" has a wonderful flavor to it so what does everyone think about this title?”

how about “Read Her Mind” as a variation. Both women and men can think about “reading her mind”

Of course, this title works best with a woman’s photograph on the cover.

Hope this helps,

- Steve
Posted by telemoxie on 12/16/2004 at 6:54 PM Member

"Read my mind" is my favorite.
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/17/2004 at 8:43 AM Member

No Michelletrex you just don't understand what she's doing because you're having trouble "Reading Her Mind"....

Valhallaessences (great self-promotion campaign),

Now that's "Read My Mind" at it's best!... and my motivation for most next federally funded art exhibit where I'll have the government fund a Literary Art Exhibit (a room full of books where each guest comes into the room receives a hand signed book by the artist & attempts to read a 249 page book where every page has "Read My Mind" on it. {{{BAMM!}}} Simultaneously it becomes the international book and Art exhibit of the year. Hey Valhallaessences you said you would contribute to this post but this idea is pure genius with a touch of Andy Warhol. You just got your 15 minutes of fame.

Deremiah
Posted by SRyan ;] on 12/17/2004 at 5:14 PM Member

Read My Mind is an okay title. The subtitle would have to be pretty meaningful and catchy to make it work, though.

I'm not ready to start inventing subtitles, however, until the vision for this book is made clear. Deremiah, is that a new thread? ;]

Ivy may have hit a server problem in the wee hours of her posting. I noticed another thread that had a hole in it at around the same time...

Shelley
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/17/2004 at 6:09 PM Member

Hi Shelley,

Is what a new thread?

Deremiah
Posted by Chris Blackman on 12/19/2004 at 9:00 PM Accepted

Since men develop domestic blindness, as well as selective hearing, is there any potential in a title that looks beyond:

"Her view of the sock-drawer.
Incredible stories of feminine intuition".

Ah well. Put it down to a week in New Zealand coupled with slight jetlag.

Cheers

ChrisB
Posted by SRyan ;] on 12/21/2004 at 12:58 AM Member

Or when does Michelle start farting?

(So sorry, I just couldn't help myself...)

;]
Posted by SRyan ;] on 12/31/2004 at 1:19 PM Member

Michele and Deremiah --

If you need some Expert points to start the next KHE thread on this project, I've got plenty I can contribute. Say the word!

- Shelley
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 12/31/2004 at 5:51 PM Member

Thanks Shelley,

but why in the name of "If You Could Read My Mind", is all the answers posting midway through this post. Have we blown a spiget.

Deremiah, or Deremiah, *CPE, or D-man or "D" (wellyougetit)
Posted on 1/1/2005 at 11:02 AM Member

"Read my mind for FREE"

No other word commands as much attention as "free"
Posted by Deremiah *CPE on 1/6/2005 at 12:24 AM Member

Well Michele,

this has been an amazing post. A whole lot of input and definitely a fantastic showing of participants both male and female. There is so much more to add to the ideas and inspiration of the concept(s)...right cal. Everyone deserves more credit than we all could imagine. The "Read My Mind" concept has passed the first series of test and will very shortly move into a whole new lip smacking gum flapping spin off of brainstorming vibrations (that may have us all sending emails off line and making phone calls to stay abreast the latest input). Please hang in there and stay tuned for digging a little deeper and revealing a little more than we probably ever thought we would communicate publicly. You girls and guys are the greatest. Michele thank you so very much.

Deremiah
Posted by Mushfique Manzoor on 1/12/2005 at 8:18 AM Accepted

michele

what a thread!!!!

so far i liked "The Truth About Women", "Read My Mind" and "What Women Want".

how about these.......

"The Truth About Mars & Venus"
"Mars & Venus: Through the Eyes of Each Other"
"Know Thyself, Know Thy-Women"

hope this helps.

cheers!!

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