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Topic: Strategy

Using Different Names For The Company | Product

Posted by lloydmerriam on 250 Points
Hello,

First off, I wasn't sure whether to put this question here under "strategy" or "branding." I opted for the former but please know that this is very much a branding issue.

I recently launched a new company, Deltalytics, Inc., which provides business intelligence software targeted primarily towards small businesses (who currently have little to choose from in this regard). You can read as much or as little as you like about the proposition at https://www.deltalytics.com .

QUICK SUMMARY
Deltalytics predicts future business performance based upon its proprietary analysis of changing customer behavior. It forecasts future business performance by analyzing changes in customer behavior the result of which is a set of key metrics that illuminate critical business trends long before these are reflected on the company's financials and typical management reports. In short, it transforms raw customer data into refined business intelligence while maximizing customer loyalty and lifetime value.

THE GOAL
Deltalytics, first and foremost, is an analytical discipline that I invented to predict future business performance. My objective is to establish it as an accepted predictive analytics methodology by encouraging the ongoing participation of researchers, educators and practitioners [at its eventual home at https://www.deltalytics.org ].

THE DILEMMA
It seems to me that if the commercial product is also called Deltalytics (although making name recognition and branding quicker and easier), the integrity and acceptance of the Deltalytics DISCIPLINE itself would suffer. Keeping them separate, in other words, would prevent this and allow the Deltalytics methodology to be perceived as a serious and legitimate alternative to some of the more traditional analytical approaches.

After kicking around numerous potential product names I finally settled on iSEE and thinking about coining it:

iSEE
Powered by Deltalytics

We're working on the iSEE logo now, and already completed the one for Deltalytics (designed with the PRODUCT in mind, and it shows). I like its tagline "Like Magic, Only Better" (which it is, btw ;-) and hate to abandon it. I could, of course, adopt it as the tag line for iSEE instead. Or, I could do both. Or neither. Going around in circles like this isn't much fun.

A CONTRARY OPINION
A very insightful consultant friend of mine feels strongly that I'm "overthinking" this and should drop the iSEE angle altogether and address Deltalytics the product, company AND discipline as one.

Because I haven't decided yet, I'm using both on the website for now. Oh, and there's another wrinkle ... I originally thought to abbreviate the Deltalytics name using the Greek Delta symbol in lieu of "Delta" per se, rendering it ∆lytics, instead. My fear, however, was that many wouldn't know what the ∆ means and would find it confusing and troublesome (i.e. less likely to hang around long enough to learn more). Just curious if you think the potential confusion warrants the more cumbersome Deltalytics (spelled out).

WHICH WAY TO GO?
So, my two options are: (i) Keep Deltalytics (the company/methodology) and iSEE (the commercial product) completely separate; or (ii) drop iSEE altogether calling "everything" Deltalytics.

I continue to favor the first option and I'd appreciate you weighing in with your own opinion.

thanks much!
lloyd

P.S. Some of you might be interested to learn about a recent finding that mailing a print catalog to webshoppers can dramatically depress their future reorder rates. The implications, of course, are huge if this finding is reproducible across many businesses. You can read more about it at https://www.deltalytics.org/blog if you're interested.





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  • Posted by lloydmerriam on Author
    To Randall (WMAA): Thanks for the positive (and thoughtful) feedback. Much appreciated!

    To BARQ: I know it's a bit confusing but Deltalytics is the company and iSEE (at least tentatively) is the product. So your example "Ford, powered by Model T" got it backwards, actually. Appreciate the effort though!

    thanks!
    lloyd
  • Posted by ilan on Member
    Here's another Saturday morning comment.
    I like the logic of the naming strategy.
    But I think that the "i" thing is becoming a salute to Apple, as in iMAC, iPHONE, etc.
    Soon enough, the "i" thing will do the same as the "Mc" thing did for McDonald's and McMuffin and all the other Mc product lines.
    Apple is the brand that owns the "i" in front of brand names, and anybody else who's adopting it seems at this point as if they have an affiliation with Apple, or they try to look and feel and sound like a brand that has nothing to do with them.
  • Posted by Jay Hamilton-Roth on Member
    Don't use the delta symbol - it'll be harder to find in web searches, and not all fonts render it legibly (it's okay in your logo graphics, tho').

    Differentiate product/company. If you sell this product line (but keep the company), what will the new company call the product?

    "iSEE / Powered by Deltalytics" is fine. Would
    "iSEE with Deltalytics" be too confusing?
  • Posted on Accepted
    Deltalytics without the delta symbol is the way to go. Don't get too cutesy. Some people will stumble over a Greek letter, even if they know what it is.

    Having a separate product name from the company name is also a good approach.

    And I like the tagline too.

    Having developed and sold a very similar product (analytics for marketing professionals) I can tell you with first-hand knowledge and several dents in my helmet that your strategic approach is right.

    The challenge you will face is convincing your target audience that they should pay money for the ability to analyze their business and forecast results.

    What we found was that the only way to sell analytics was to bundle it with consulting services -- to do the analytical work, draw conclusions and translate those into indicated actions. Most people just don't seem to understand the value of analytics; they'll either do without or pay you to do it for them.

    FWIW, we ended up with a very successful business among Fortune 100 companies -- and 50% of revenues were from the consulting component ... though the client never knew the mix between analytics and consulting. They just paid a fixed fee for the result, or a monthly retainer for ongoing support services.

    Good luck. Let me know if I can be of further help. This feels a little like "deja vu all over again" -- as Yogi Berra often says.
  • Posted by lloydmerriam on Author
    I appreciate the comments so far, thank you all! In particular, though, MGOODMAN hit a couple of nails right on the head. That he's 'been here, done this' no doubt has a lot to do with it. He said:

    "What we found was that the only way to sell analytics was to bundle it with consulting services -- to do the analytical work, draw conclusions and translate those into indicated actions." And he added, "Most people just don't seem to understand the value of analytics; they'll either do without or pay you to do it for them."

    This position is the one from which I began when fleshing out the business model -- and it remains an important part of the overall plan. I'm betting, however, that the general business community IS [finally but only recently] ready to buy into analytics without any hand-holding. There's enough "buzz" to have made most business owners/managers aware that there's "something" out there that might be of value to analyze their data more effectively than they are currently.

    THE MARKET
    The challenge is to make it easy and compelling enough to get them over the hump of confusion and uncertainty. That's one segment of my target market, viz. the small operator who is unlikely to embrace consulting services but wouldn't mind spending $30/month to learn something useful about this business. Another segment is those who buy into the basic idea but need some hand-holding to make a commitment. The last segment are those companies who won't do ANYTHING unless consulting services are included.

    I'm starting out by going after Segment #1 (no-consulting-needed prospects). And, without giving away any secrets too soon, I should note that the application will include what I call "consultative reporting," wherein certain reports will output some dialogue in addition to raw data in tabular and/or chart form. A sort of 'built-in consultant' to help interpret each report.

    That said, detailed plans to bundle and pitch consulting services to the "more ambitious and educated" prospects using a combination of internal resources as well as a "Certified Consultants" network (to be established and cultivated later) have been drafted. Longer term, this will be become a significant component of the business.

    OBJECTIVE = A LARGE NUMBER OF SMALL ACCOUNTS
    If my guess is correct, however, consulting services will never approach the 50% of total revenue that Michael experienced with his company. But then again I'm sure he didn't offer a low-priced monthly subscription which, to me, is the critical differentiator and the one that will bring in a large number of subscribers.

    Thanks again to all who contributed! I'm keeping the question open for a few more days to see what else might come along. Stay tuned ...



  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Lloyd,

    Quick note:

    I would love the chance to respond. This thread has my gears churning big time!

    I'll have time to wrap my head around this and provide a response later this evening or tomorrow morning, so please do leave it open.

    Good stuff!!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    First of all, I applaud your zealous dedication to this project. Start-ups require someone like you to really push a product into market - no matter what.

    I can't help but agree with the "iSEE" name being a tribute to Apple. A quick Google search showed several applications of the word - one in particular: a device called "iSee" for Apple's iPhone that allows easier video viewing/control.

    Not to mention there are other applications with the same name ranging from search software to locate urban CCTV cameras to the Independent School Entrance Exam to the International Society of Explosive Engineers!

    Not that your target audience would get it confused or that you chose a "bad" name, but I think my point is clear. Even if you are not depending on SEO as a part of your marketing strategy, there is some great risk involved with picking a name that could be easily confused as a Apple product (or ANY other comp tech company).

    Plus, I can't help but mention the first thing that came to mind - an "Icee" from 7-11...LOL!! (no disrespect intended).

    On another note, a couple things raised some flags: (i.e. comments you made such as: "I'm betting, however, that the general business community IS [finally but only recently] ready to buy into analytics without any hand-holding. There's enough "buzz" to have made most business owners/managers aware that there's "something" out there that might be of value to analyze their data more effectively than they are currently."

    I fear your affinity for the name and the current format of your product and your "betting" may be blinding you from taking some very solid advice regarding the implementation of a consultant or at least a X day training class and perhaps a service contract. Like MGOODMAN stated, he's been there and found that large companies would rather have a consultant USE the software to generate data, then report to them. I realize you are targeting small business owners, who as you are well aware, barely have time to eat let alone figure out how to operate the analysis program themselves.

    On that note, it's unlikely they will do it themselves,, they will have to dedicate and TRUST someone to not only enter/import all the data, but do it right. Furthermore, you are not simply selling some helpful software, you are asking small businesses to completely change the way they currently do business and to depend on your product for the future of their company.

    I agree, iSee sounds like a very useful tool. Furthermore I agree that businesses are starting to accept the use of metrics, but assuming they are ready to do it alone is a rather large assumption. Perhaps you should present it as a useful tool that one can use to supplement their current applications and forecasting strategies, versus the Holy Grail that is guaranteed to predict the success or failure of a business/product 30+ days in advance. In other words, why should a small business owner hand over their future to iSEE?

    This surely comes as no surprise as I am confident you thought of all the possible angles. But seriously, what is your marketing strategy? How are you planning on not only reaching the small business owner, but convincing he/she that your product is worth the time?

    Please don't get the wrong idea. I admire your Seth Grodin-like approach and I certainly do not mean to offend or discourage you. Playing Devil's Advocate is something I do to help offer a different point of view and to get people to slow down a bit and look at the potential adverse events/aspects so one can prepare themselves for the possibility that their audience won't agree with them.

    I have seen product after product, from Artificial Intelligent light bulbs, to electrical outlets with built in emergency lights, to cool outdoor toys to data merging software products fall flat on their face because they assumed and "bet" that the rest of the world would think their product was as useful and necessary as they did. Dedication is essential, but without down-to-earth thinking, deaf and blind zeal can drive an amazing product into the ground.

    My apologies for ranting about strategy. I felt compelled to share it with you.

    Anyway, I believe you are on the right track, your website is sound, well written, and professional, your product is useful and is cutting edge (perhaps a bit too early for no "hand-holding") but definitely on the right track and positioned to be a potential leader in its field, your level of dedication and zeal seems to be more than enough to launch, and your naming strategy is dead-on: use a different name than the name of the company (and stay away from the delta symbol except in logos and signage).

    Again, it's not that I don't like "iSEE", it's the fact that it is already being used for one of the most popular items of the 21st century. Would you be willing to share some of your other names ("4cast" came to my mind, but it conflicts with weather, but you could run with some kind of analogy to weather forecasting....).

    Thanks for sharing such an interesting dilemma. I look forward to your response and perhaps seeing some of your other name choices.

    Good Luck and I will definitely follow your product over the next several months/years.

    --Blaine Wilkerson
    Jett Enterprises

  • Posted by lloydmerriam on Author
    Great stuff here, guys! Some counter-feedback below (which I had to break into two parts because my comment was “too long”).

    Blaine Wilkerson [JETT] said
    “I can't help but agree with the "iSEE" name being a tribute to Apple. … Not that your target audience would get it confused or that you chose a "bad" name, but I think my point is clear. Even if you are not depending on SEO as a part of your marketing strategy, there is some great risk involved with picking a name that could be easily confused as a Apple product (or ANY other comp tech company).”

    My reply:
    With but one exception, I see nothing but UPSIDE with the iSEE name – including it’s similarity to several Apple-named products, among others. iSEE, the business intelligence tool, will never be confused with iPhone, IPod and so on. And its gentle ring and familiar-sounding’ness will help the name to stick and be more easily remembered. I considered several names before settling on iSEE including Know-It-All, RX (and its variations), Foretell or 4TELL, Foresight or 4SIGHT, 4CAST, 4SEE, Reveal, Revelation, Soothsayer, Sayer, Seer et al. 4SIGHT and 4SEE were serious contenders but took a back seat to iSEE in the end.

    The downside, as Blaine clearly points out, is with SEO where (unlike a search for “deltalytics’ will only lead to one destination) a search for iSEE brings up a lot of false hits. I’m not worried about this because someone who is searching for iSEE (the analytics, forecasting, crm, or whatever they’re thinking of product) is likely to add qualifiers to render the search more precise. For example, they might search for “isee analytics” which will return favorable results. Indeed, after submitting “deltalytics” to google less than a month a month ago, the #1 hit on this search returns

    Deltalytics To Launch Analytics Software Targeted To Small ...
    Deltalytics, Inc. is offering a free 6-mo subscription to its iSEE analytics software. iSEE forecasts future business performance by analyzing changes in ...

    A google search for “isee business intelligence” brings up

    Strategic Small Business Intelligence - Powerful, Affordable, Magical
    Unlike the majority of business intelligence (BI) tools which are expensive to license and maintain, iSEE is a low-priced monthly subscription with ...

    … albeit at the bottom of page 1 results. Still, not bad and it can only get better over time. So, in short, I’m confident that iSEE -- from both a product naming and SEO perspective -- is quite viable. Besides which I recently registered the domain isseeanalytics.com which I’ll set up independently from deltalytics.com with an eye towards boosting traffic and search rankings.

    For those thinking “be careful what you do because Google will ban you for doping their index,” I’m aware of that risk and plan to study more on the subject before potentially shooting myself in the foot. And, just as a side note, before settling on deltalytics I toyed with quite a few names most of which I registered “just in case” and plan to use as best I can as signposts to themselves as well as Deltalytics {I know, “be careful out there”}. These other domains, just fyi, are

    DELTALYTICS.ORG (active now - for the blog and, eventually, the academic “home”)
    DELTALYTIX.COM (it’s always a good idea to lock up the closely spelled variants)
    DLYTICS.COM (ditto)
    CUSTALYTICS.COM (an original contender for the primary domain name)
    ESSENTIALYTICS.COM (might be used later for a totally FREE starter system)
    MACROLYTICS.COM
    MACROLYTIX.COM
    SITEALYTICS.COM
    TOTALYTICS.COM (might be used later if web analytics are supported, too)
    WIZALYTICS.COM (another original, primary domain contender)
    XALYTICS.COM (ditto)

    With respect to using the shorthand ∆lytics in a text context, okay .. I won’t use it. I think I just got so sick of typing out Deltalytics every time and just assumed readers would get equally tired of seeing it ;-).

    [. . . another comment to follow...]
  • Posted by lloydmerriam on Author
    Blaine [JETT] made a few other very good points that I [LAM] would like to briefly address as well.

    JETT: “I fear your affinity for the name and the current format of your product and your "betting" may be blinding you from taking some very solid advice regarding the implementation of a consultant or at least a X day training class and perhaps a service contract. … I realize you are targeting small business owners, who as you are well aware, barely have time to eat let alone figure out how to operate the analysis program themselves.”

    LAM: I completely agree, which is why the program must be brainlessly easy to install, configure and use. And that it shall be.

    JETT: “Furthermore, you are not simply selling some helpful software, you are asking small businesses to completely change the way they currently do business and to depend on your product for the future of their company.”

    LAM: Hmmm. This statement worries me (a lot). If what I’ve presented (here and on the website) suggests this even remotely, a major overhaul is needed. Unlike using a new order management system (which is what I do in my ‘other life’ at www.colinear.com) where changing the way one does business – at least in some respects to best conform to the software, esp. in terms of workflow – iSEE requires nothing of the sort. You push a button to get your data in, and another to get a glimpse of the future. Nothing changes except that new, and potentially invaluable, insights into how customers are performing and, moreover, how they’re likely to perform in the future (for better or for worse) are presented. All iSEE does is to answer questions that (i) the business owner probably didn’t realize ought to be asked; and (ii) that even if they new the answers were important, didn’t have a clue how or where to get them. Like I said, there’s work to be done in this regard and its good to know that I did a poor job of conveying -- to even the brightest among my visitors -- that iSEE provides information for consideration and possible strategic action. No more and no less.

    JETT: “Perhaps you should present it as a useful tool that one can use to supplement their current applications and forecasting strategies, versus the Holy Grail that is guaranteed to predict the success or failure of a business/product 30+ days in advance. In other words, why should a small business owner hand over their future to iSEE?”

    LAM: While I think Blaine is overstating the case here {nothing is being “handed over”} I do catch his drift and agree the message needs to be conveyed more clearly and, perhaps, less “threatening” as well. My biggest obstacle right now is that “seeing is believing,” but I can’t show much of substance until iSEE becomes available later this year.

    Some even suggested that it was a mistake to launch the website at all for fear of giving a new/potential competitor an early heads-up. I decided, however, to take the gamble and to begin establishing the brand, SEO and to attract as many “free signups” as possible during the product development phase. Next up is to promote our “affiliate program” which will offer generous (and ongoing) rewards to those who refer customers. Although the final details aren’t set, we’ll be paying up to 50% of the revenue generated by referrals to our affiliates. I’d encourage those of you who have a potential interest in this program to please sign up at https://deltalytics.com/affiliates.html and stay in the loop.


    JETT: But seriously, what is your marketing strategy? How are you planning on not only reaching the small business owner, but convincing he/she that your product is worth the time?

    LAM: And therein lies the rub. I do have a (very) detailed plan that I’m confident (because of the numerous angles it incorporates) will generate interest and, eventually, acceptance. Its centerpiece is the notion that “a picture tells a thousand words.” That’s about as much as I can say on the subject right now, though.


    JETT: Please don't get the wrong idea. I admire your Seth Grodin-like approach and I certainly do not I have seen product after product, from Artificial Intelligent light bulbs, to electrical outlets with built in emergency lights, to cool outdoor toys to data merging software products fall flat on their face because they assumed and "bet" that the rest of the world would think their product was as useful and necessary as they did. Dedication is essential, but without down-to-earth thinking, deaf and blind zeal can drive an amazing product into the ground.

    LAM: I hadn’t heard of Seth Grodin before now and thank you for the intro. With respect to “blind zeal” versus “down-to-earth thinking,” you’re preaching to the choir. I am my own harshest critical and devil’s advocate, questioning everything I think and do. Having been the founder and CEO of a software company for twenty-one years – dating back to the mid 80’s when my largest client had an eight-user system with an IBM AT personal computer “server” (with a massive 80MB hard drive ) – I’ve experienced many things, made countless mistakes and, thankfully, learned from both (esp. the latter).

    The most important thing I’ve learned, and would implore any entrepreneur who may be reading this to emulate, is to anticipate what might go wrong (or might just not happen), truly embrace it, and develop a counter-plan accordingly. Indeed, planning for contingencies with (nearly) as much thoroughness and (considerably more) open-mindedness as the desired outcome is critically important. In my case, for example, the biggest (and most likely) threat to the business plan is missing our November target date to release iSEE.

    What should I do if we miss our target date?
    And when should I do it?

    These are questions I need to answer NOW – not on November 30th when I’m frustrated, disappointed, pissed-off and generally scrambling to save face and implement some form of damaged control. And just as important, while thinking through Plan B, I came to see and understand better ways to implement Plan A. In other words, once I figured out what could (and should) be done if we were to miss our release date, I saw additional ways to control and better administer the project overall. Another big advantage of thinking through “worst case scenarios” is that the emotional elements become largely suppressed along with the negative energy that can otherwise undermine ones performance later.

    So, in short, once you’ve thought through and taken the worst case scenarios to heart, there’s not a lot of room for “I can’t f($#ng believe this happened to me” disbelief, because you’ve already been there and done that (at least intellectually).

    On the other hand, you can’t afford to doubt yourself, either, when you’re in evangelical mode. It’s almost like there’s two personas involved: First, “This idea can’t miss, I’m gonna make a fortune with this thing!,” and second, “Murphy’s gonna win this one for sure, and I’ll be lucky if I don’t lose my shirt.”

    Once you’ve played devil’s advocate with yourself, and fleshed out those painful (but potential) negative scenarios, you set that aside and adopt the first, viz. "zealot" position, completely and unequivocally. That’s where I am right now – thinking and acting 100% positive. Gee, I think I managed to turn my question into somebody else’s answer. I’m new here so I hope that’s a good thing.

    . . . Many thanks again to all those who invested their valuable time and energy to engage my question. I’ll keep this thread open a bit longer posting a final reply tomorrow morning and closing the question. If anyone has a few more cents to throw in the meantime, please have at it.

    lloyd

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