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Can You Relate To A Product Launch By A Startup Company?

Posted by Anonymous on 2750 Points
Hi,

I'm new to the forum and I'm just stunned by the high quality discussions. It's been many years since I argued about global warming online in grad school, and my how things have changed. The quality of information here per dollar is really terrific. The trading of points in a "market for information" is a brilliant concept.

I'll start with my questions: Is this normal? What else should I be doing? How do I know when to start moonlighting?

OK, now for some context. Please click on my name and scan my brief profile. I left 6 months ago to grow this business full time based on a product that my wife and I developed and sourced in our spare time over the course of two years. We received lots of glowing feedback when we were aspiring inventors and now it's remarkable to me how much of a push it is to get it into the sales channels. I learned in business school how brand building is slow, expensive, risky work and said "yah, yah, got it, next lesson". Now I'm getting some real education in the street. It's so much easier on paper or working for big companies with blue chip brands already!

Doing the tango with buyers is the new dance I've had to learn. The biggest chain buyers don't seem to want to talk to a one-product company. I can understand, lots of my contemporaries at the trade show were neurotic and naive people with good intentions and wishful thinking. That might describe me too except that I have the production & logistics side down pat. So to overcome the one-product stigma, we (my part time business partner and full-time wife) will have 4 or 5 more (related) products to sell in February '05. To do that, we accelerate deeper into the investment "hole". This is my strategy, for better or worse. It will also help overcome a bad product if our main product turns out to be a dud. (So far buyers like it, not love it). Does this strategy make sense to you? I'd love to be doing focus groups and research but I've gone from Mr. Theoretical to Mr. Get-It-Done since venturing out. The products are what my wife and I think make a nice family of products that "should sell". It's pointless to ask buyers what they want until I have established long-term relationships with them because they'll just blow us off. They're professionals after all. For all they know we're crackpots and their time would be wasted.

There are definately yound companies making money in this industry. All I can see that they've done differently from us is they've hung around for a few years and kept at it.

I've asked our personal and business acquaintances for input and they point us in different directions on product decisions, naming/branding decisions, advertising decisions, etc. Different chain store buyers tell us, "It's too big", "I don't think moms will go to the trouble", "I don't like your prints" and "We already have something in that category that is selling fine". Meanwhile the good news is I'm getting some trial purches from a small number of stores - but WAY short of what we need to survive. I may have one of the majors sign us up for a test program (been saying that for 3 months; more tango). It seems we have to build one block at a time - show the next bigger store that the big store in California bought from us, etc. This is just so damned slow and frustrating. We've spent $15k on a PR firm that has been a waste (however we might get editorial in Parenting next issue, which would almost make it worthwhile alone). Thousands more on trade ads. Couple thousand on direct mail postcards to store owners and to consumers in a DOE test to see who responds the most. (The answer: no one).

When we presented in person at a trade show we got some orders. Now I don't dial the phone. I hate to cold-call. Why would anyone want to hear my pitch? So I hired a sales pro (ex-VP of Sales at a big baby products company) on retainer and that costs a couple grand a month. He's getting us access to the big buyers and that's how we're getting the feedback - mostly that we're a new one-product company so go away until you have some sales data and a product line.

I lack the experience starting up a business so I need some outside perspective. This is so hard compared to my cushy $500 a workday bank job that it's hard to believe anyone makes money at this type of thing. It's got to come around, right? I'm willing to bust my ass every day and believe, but it would be helpful if I could hear someone experienced say it is likely to work out by next year (my mentor says we're moving 2X the speed of a typical startup in the industry). Since I'm so mired in every detail of this business now, I've lost that crisp "birds-eye" view of my value story and business approach that I used to have. It's a teeth-clenching blur now. So, I repeat the main questions and request the favor of a candid reply...

Is this normal? What else should I be doing? How do I know when to start moonlighting?


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AJM
Summerlin, NV, USA

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  • Posted by SRyan ;] on Member
    Welcome to the forum, A.J.

    Yes, I've certainly Been There And Done That, and I've got a lot of dirt to shovel before I dig myself out of my own investment hole!

    The most difficult thing for an entrepreneur might be accepting the fact that you've got a mediocre product idea. (It's happened to me, too.)

    Success may come if you are willing and able to take a fresh look at your core product (which I assume is the highchair cover) and understand who the real customer might be.

    Have you considered making a disposable version and marketing custom-printed versions of these to restaurants, for example? Anything that a restaurant chain does to make itself "family friendly" has a huge impact on their bottom line.

    Your product reminds me of those quilt-like covers that moms can bring to a grocery store to protect Baby from shopping cart germs and bumps. The first time I saw one, I thought, "Great idea!" but in my lifetime of being in grocery stores, I think I've only seen a two moms use one. My bet is that most parents don't want or need additional stuff to carry, for one thing.

    Don't give up, but think hard about who might benefit from this product the most! (It's not babies or parents.)

    - Shelley
  • Posted by telemoxie on Member
    I agree that the disposable product is a better product - if the restaurant is such a dirty place, why do you want to pack those germs in your bag and bring them home with you? I wonder if restaurants might be good customers - they would position themselves as family friendly, you would get lots of exposure, they could be a new sales item for the restaurant, you might get big orders from Franchise operations. If you have a strong patent, you could come out with a version for Chuckee Cheese, for Friendly's restaurants, and for other chains.

    Sorry for the wild idea, but maybe this could point you to a better one... this could even be a part of the meal offering. After all, if they have your disposable table covering, do they need a plate, or silverware? The restaurant could just dollop the food onto your disposable bib with an ice cream scoop - the kids would love it!

    Good luck.
  • Posted on Member
    Don’t blow off the child as not being the customer – if the kid likes the product to the point where they cry if it is not used – IT WILL BE USED.

    How about some stuff for the kid to be entertained with??

    Easy-erase markers (non-toxic and non-staining of course),
    Their favorite cartoon characters, etc. ,

    Perhaps chuck -e- cheese or Ronald McDonald could see this as a way to expand their brand into other restaurants – and PAY you for the opportunity to do so. They could make it a give-away for birthday parties for toddlers – etc.

    Do you have patent protection?
  • Posted by Deremiah *CPE on Member
    Hello AJ,

    welcome aboard KHE. I just want you to know that I've read through the entire post, read and reread your questions been to your website and even viewed some other websites associated with what you do (i.e., I've invested some time) so please consider the advice you have already been given. Unlike most people I tend to view life from a more intiutive state and therefore my answers may not seem relative to you. I have degrees in Art and Accounting and this keeps me balanced. Having read your profile you're a smart guy so I'm going to recommend some smart advice.

    I want to let you know right up front I'll be the first to say I don't have all your answers but I do have some good news for you...

    "ALL your answers are available" and they've been waiting for you.

    SOME YOU WILL WANT TO HEAR...
    and others you'll want to deny but their still answers to your problems just the same. In Mary Kay we use to say "Try it before you buy it". I like to say "Try it before you Deny It". As a matter of fact you have been walking right past the answers to your current problem on a daily bases.

    HERE'S THE BEST ADVICE I CAN GIVE YOU...
    get away to a quite place away from the hustle and bustle of family and work to a place where you can relax and think about what I'm about to recommend and I guarantee you'll be living a much richer and fuller life every single day from here on out.

    (And here's even more better advice. Do these things by yourself)

    TAKE A WALK THROUGH THE WOODS
    TAKE A WALK ALONG THE BEACH, OCEAN OR LAKE
    GO FOR A LONG DISTANCE CAR, TRAIN, OR BUS RIDE
    FORCE YOURSELF TO START READING AGAIN
    READ POETRY, A BIOGRAPHY OR A HANDYMAN BOOK
    SIT ON YOUR BACK PORCH AND TAKE A BIRDS EYE VIEW
    PICK UP A CAMERA AND START TAKING PICTURES

    Now I'll deal with your questions:

    Is this normal?------YES. As you can see from some of the other post a lot of people "Have been there done that" so you are not outside of what maybe "Normal Experiences" but it sounds like you've had enough of that and you would like to try your hand at a more ***unnormal*** successful lifestyle. Well here are a few more things I would like to suggest for your specific scenario.

    ASK BETTER QUESTIONS TO GET BETTER ANSWERS...
    Are there other people in the same industry as you who are successful at what they do? Why are they more successful then me? How much more successful are they at doing what I want to do? Can I learn something from Babe Ease or Neat Solutions? When I went to their websites I learned some things. They had a whole lot of answers to your problems right on their websites but you've got to ask the right questions.

    What is distribution and how can I do that better?

    If there is a real need for my product where is it? Categorize this in good, best, better terms or numerically on a scale of 1-10

    What must I do to convince others that my solution works for them?


    ASK BENJAMIN FRANKLIN...The GREAT Inventor
    He use to approach life from this perspective "if the facts don't support your theory than --change your theory--". The fact of the matter is you want to increase distribution of your products but your theories are not working so --change your theory--.


    What else should I be doing?

    The people you've been paying to work for you should be asked many questions so that you began to:
    1.) Measure the validity of their service to you.
    2.) You need to understand the benefits of what they are learning from the people they are talking to on your behalf.
    3.) You need to leverage the knowledge, contacts and relationships they currently have.
    4.) You need to be getting the greatest possible out come from every relationship you have.
    5.) You need to began to measure how you can get more bang for your buck.
    6.) You need to look for alternative ways of achieving the same thing. for instance how could you have taken your PR budget and gain more from it. There is a way you can do that. People have spent much less than you and have done more with it.

    READERS ARE LEADERS IS A CLICHE MAKE IT A REALITY...
    That's why I believe you can not continue AJ to go another day without increasing your in take of knowledge.

    I DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ...
    THAT'S AN EXCUSE BUT IT'S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER.
    Truly you can not afford "NOT" to read. I read that you don't have time to read anymore...you can not let this continue. All the successful people I know make reading the backbone and the foundation of their lives.

    MY MAIN MENTOR LES BROWN TOLD ME...FORCE YOURSELF TO READ

    MY GODFATHER BRIAN TRACY SAYS..."Read an hour every day in your chosen field.This works out to about one book per week,50 booksper year,and will guarantee your success."

    https://www.google.com/search?
    hl=en&q=Brian+Tracy+read+an+hour+a+day&btnG=Google+Search


    How do I know when to start moonlighting? Only you can determine that one.

    Is there anything else I can do for you?

    Your Servant, Deremiah, *CPE (Customer Passion Evanglist)
  • Posted by Deremiah *CPE on Member
    Here is the link for you.

    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Brian+Tracy+read+an+hour+a+day&btnG=G...

    Brians encouraged me through some very challenging times in my life and spoke powerful ideas into my world as I am now doing for you. Take it for what it's worth. Become extremely knowlegeable about what you believe is valuable to you. You would not starve your body would you? Of course not so tell me why do you starve your mind? It is the key to your success. I'm sure if I spent time with you I could discover some things almost immediatley that will make a difference. You need a life coach and you need to become passionate about what you do...others will know because it will exude from the very essence of who you are. I won't say good luck AJ because I believe that life is built on good decisions. So Good decisions to you.

    Your Servant, Deremiah
  • Posted by Deremiah *CPE on Member
    Hi Aj,

    I agree with Michelletrex and Jack. I'm also sorry you believe the six points I made under "What else should I be doing" are platitudes please let me offer my most sincerest apology. The first four points I shared I learned from one of America's leading marketing consultants. (They work...I've used them and taught them to hundreds of other business people).

    WOULD YOU MIND IF I TEST MARKETED YOUR PRODUCT...as Jack suggested.

    As one of Ameritech/SBC's top consultants I was wondering would you mind if I shared your idea with some local restaurant owners & mothers in the St. Charles area here in Illinois. Most of the mothers in this area live in half a million up to 1.7 million dollar homes. That would give you some real life practical advice and I'll be glad to share that input on the forum. If you don't mind I'll present the product in picture form from your website and just do some surveys. I also have access to upper income and low income women between the age ranges of 24-35 who currently have children between the age ranges of new borns up to 10. I'm sure they would share geniune advice and this would be a great way to get you a small instant survey sample. Are there any particulars you would be interested in me letting them know. Since I know nearly 20 to 40 women in this area from White, Black to Hispanic women I'm sure we I can get some broad opinions on your product. Something like this would cost you good money to do I'm sure. Also if I have some interested buyers what would that be worth to you? So think about it and let me know. I really love making my customers happy. Is there anything else I can do for you?

    Your Servant, Deremiah, *CPE, (Customer Passion Evangelist) Click on my profile if you want to know more about who I am.
  • Posted by Deremiah *CPE on Member
    YESssss! We did it we offered you something practical!!

    Thanks AJ,

    I'll leave the invitation open for you until January 15, 2005, at 5:59 am. After that point I'll be cranking on a new book. Thanks for your time and if there is anything else I can help you with please let me know.

    Your Servant, Deremiah, *CPE (Customer Passion Evangelist)

    PS
    Have you thought about creating a host beneficiary relationship with Babe Ease or Neat Solution? Your products compliment each other. I have many relationships like this and it allows us to ride each other coat tails. Well go for it AJ. If others can make it happen you can.
  • Posted by telemoxie on Member
    I'd like to revisit the point about the reps you have signed. You seem suprised and disappointed that they are not actively promoting your product.

    Most sales people are not very good at generating their own leads. They are closers - by analogy, they are apple pickers, rather than tree planters. Have you considered a direct mail campaign to potential buyers, and letting your reps follow up the leads?
  • Posted by SRyan ;] on Member
    AJ, I just sent someone to this thread for ideas.

    I re-read everything here, and it made me wonder how you're doing. Want to post an update?

    Shelley

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