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Topic: Our Forum

Tables Or Columns - Please

Posted by steven.alker on 250 Points
Ok Guys and Guyesses, I have to admit defeat!

How on earth do we, on this wonderful forum, arrange data in the form of columns or tables? Tables are, I guess not possible but could we look at data in columns?

I’ve tried using spaces to separate words and figures so that line-by-line the descriptive bit comes out in the same place on the page and the number associated with it comes out in the same place as the number on the next line. It came out all over the place!

Then I tried using tabs to separate the column data. Same problem

So I tried a table – total mess.

So could anyone show us how to format data so that I can do the following?

Item Value Value2
Item1 23,000 240,000
Etc

Except that Item one can be of a variable string length, Value one will always start in the same place and have a maximum number of digits and ditto for value two.

Obviously there will be limitations based on the size of the page, but points for anyone who can show us how to do it and actually display a table of, say, six items WHICH ALL LINES UP!! (OK, I know how to force bold on the forum, but today, I don’t have the time!)

Best wishes


Steve Alker
SalesVision
Huge Users of Tabular Lists!!!!!
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  • Posted by telemoxie on Accepted
    I'm not an HTML guy, but if you can change from regular to bold, I wonder if you can change the font from a proportional font to a fixed-width font... and if so, it should be possible to build a table in a tool like Excel, and to use Excel to produce text which should display properly.
  • Posted by SRyan ;] on Accepted
    Steve, I don't think we can post HTML code in here, but let me give it a shot.






















    HeadingHeadingHeading
    123
    456
    789



    Nope! Can't be done. Sorry, I guess you won't be able to do any tables in here.
  • Posted by SRyan ;] on Member
    Maybe a string of non-breaking spaces, inserted between values?

       Heading  Heading
       Value 1   Value 2
       Value 3   Value 4

    That's close, but a pain in the butt because each non-breaking space is this code (without hyphens): &-n-b-s-p-;
  • Posted by steven.alker on Author
    Thanks for the ideas so far.

    Telemoxie – nice idea, but I don’t think that the site supports the table structures. I’ve asked Neshinator (Contributor here and our webmaster and e-marketing manager) to have a crack at it. Actually, maybe the boys in white coats could lay out the HTML ground-rules for the site – I contribute to a few other sites and the Adam Smith Institute blog site actually list out the acceptable HTML code which can be used and offer wizards to achieve bold and so on for the uninitiated. But they were always the first to do anything in the world of think tanks!

    Shelly – nice try! I had a go at using HTML to hyperlink my website without making the www stuff visible, but despite trying two standard formats, all I got was a posting with the code in it – just as happened to you! There has to be a way though as I’m sure that I’ve seen others achieve it.

    The non-breaking string does work and it is a pain. It gets to be very time consuming with a big table, such as the one I tied (But failed) to make sense of for Juliet – one of our new contributors. I had to email my spreadsheet to her home address so that she at least had an idea of what the hell I was trying to spell out.

    Columns and tables apart, I’d love to be able to do formulae and maths here, just so that I can baffle people more than I already do!

    Michel – I guess that you pushed enter when you didn’t intend to! For the rest of our readers, her question is posted on:

    https://www.marketingprofs.com/ea/qst_question.asp?qstID=18582

    Please help her if you can.

    Best wishes

    Steve Alker
    SalesVision

  • Posted by jpoyer on Accepted
    Testing some CSS ... don't think this will go considering the html tags show up

    Heading Heading Heading Heading


    Value 1 Value 2 Value 3 Value 4


    Value 5 Value 6 Value 7 Value 8


    nope -- no luck here.
  • Posted by steven.alker on Author
    Thanks for all your efforts, sterling work there and it at least shows that I’m not as dim as I was coming to think that I was.

    I’ve asked Val if she could ask one of the guys with the huge brains to have a look at it. I think it’s fantastic that our community members are prepared to put in what is obviously quite a bit of work to see if they can help out, even when the solution proves so illusive.

    Maybe it’s like Goldbach’s Conjecture and there isn’t a solution!

    Steve Alker
    SalesVision
  • Posted by steven.alker on Author
    Dear Carrie



    That’s understandable and better to know than not know.



    How then do some contributors force bold (Many instances) Indents (A few instances) and hidden hyper-links i.e. SalesVision resolving itself into www.salesvisiononline.com when clicked.



    Once I’ve cleared up the mystery “exceptions”, I’ll close the question and thank my colleagues for their efforts.



    Best wishes



    Steve

  • Posted on Accepted
    My suggestion for sharing a table is this:

    Embed a link to your own site where you actually post the table.

    As for linking to a hidden site, it's pretty straightforward. Here's the code: (I've substituted { for < to be sure the HTML code doesn't execute)
    *

    {a href="https://www.dialoguemarketinggroup.com"}{b}The target website{/a}{/b}.

    Now here is what you see when you replace those { and } with < and >:

    The target website.


    * Ignore the line break. I couldn't get rid of it, and I don't have the patience to figure out why.
  • Posted by steven.alker on Author
    Dear Everyone:

    I’ll close the question now as Michael has provided, to my mind a brilliant work-around which solves many problems, including those of posting formulae and graphs into this forum. I’d like, however to offer the points proportionately as everyone who had a go at this must have spent considerable time in attempting a solution.

    Telemoxie: The fixed width idea should work, but die to the rules employed, I’m afraid it doesn’t – rather like Michael’s annoying break he couldn’t get rid of. The rules must have intended and unintended consequences.

    Shelly: nice attempt and thanks for trying. Maybe a solution to basic formatting problems such as bold and italic would be to have a toolbar on the comment box (Like the spell check) setting out the permitted HTML. We do this on )


    https://www.salesvisiononline.com/forum/
    SalesVision.

    Try to add a comment to see what I mean.

    Oh, B**ger! At least Italic and Bold worked – I’ll have to practice! This is the site I intended:
    www.salesvisiononline.com/forum

    Funny thing is that the above mangeled resplink works, its just the SalesVision bit that doesn't.

    Jennifer: Same rules apply but thanks again for experimenting.

    Carrie: Thanks for taking this to the tech people and clarifying the issue – I won’t give you points as it might be interpreted as attempting to curry favour!! Come to think about it, how do you earn them if everyone takes this attitude? Oh sod it, I’d better play fair, otherwise your contributions will never go acknowledged.

    Michael: Sheer brilliance in concept and as I said earlier, a solution to many problems. If my rusty HTML works, then the comments above should show that I’ve both learned something today and been able to apply some of it to simple formatting. When I’ve got more time I’ll sort out the hyperlink example. I must have typed some code incorrectly as the above link refers to an internal MarketingProfs reference which I didn’t type. Do you possibly have different rights to me or is it, much more likely, a trivial error on my part. Whatever, I can now show off with as much BOLD as I like, so ta!

    Thanks again to all for this.

    Steve Alker
    SalesVision






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