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Topic: Strategy

Non-profti Or For Profit?

Posted by Anonymous on 125 Points
My daughter has come up with a concept that has at its heart, an altruistic motive. She had never intended to make a business, for or non-profit, but the response to the initial idea has been so enormous that we know we have something that can be huge.

The question I have is how should we decide whether to create a for profit or non-profit?

What might be the advantages of one over another ASSUMING THAT THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE BUSINESS WOULD NOT BE TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.

I realize this runs counter to the idea of operating a business at all, but that's the way it is. Of course assuming we made a lot of money and then sold the business, the profits could be used for the cause. But taking the money out of the equation...

1. Which do you think would be easier to operate on a small scale?
2. Which would be less hassle to set up and maintain?
3. Which would make the most sense tax-wise?

Any other thoughts you have would be appreciated.

Thanks very much,

Lynn
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  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Accepted
    A for profit entity is easier to set up and maintain. I helped found a nonprofit and the 1023 -- even in its revised "quick" form is a beast of a document. You also may not be approved as a nonprofit-- it typically takes a year for the IRS to slowing churn thru it. They look carefully at nonprofits-- making sure they qualify for that status.

    Running as a sole propriotor is easiest.

    Tax wise- your daughter as the executive director of the nonprofit would have to pay taxes on her individual earnings. In a for profit entity, its the same thing.

    The IRS expects a nonprofit to be profitable and make money. Nonprofit does not mean little or no profit.

    Carol
    Sell Well and Prosper tm
  • Posted by Frank Hurtte on Accepted
    Lynn,
    I agree with what Carol says above, but....

    If you daughter truly wants to help others, sometimes getting things done costs more than a single person can finance. The Not for Profit status allows her to ask others, businesses, and other not-for profits for assistance - via a tax deductablel contribution.

    Not-for-Profits can also attract high level Board of Director members. These folks can help open the door to places your daughter might not be able to handle on her own - ie corporate boardrooms, banks, etc.

    My only suggestion is this, if you daughter develops materials, process documentation, ect. She should copyright the material under her own name outside the not-for profit. Incase she ever changes her mind about wanting to make money, owning the copyright to the materials gives her a source of income.
  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Accepted
    A few more thoughts.

    As a nonprofit, you will not automatically attract a star studded board. There is huge competition for both the donation dollars and plenty of causes that ask big companies for board presence. As a board member, you are personally exposed and responsible for the nonprofits ethical performance. They will require you to provide director's insurance to protect them.

    Having a board is a big headache as well-- especially in a nonprofit. Everyone has their agenda-- you'd think they'd be united for a common cause-- and they are-- but in it for their own slant. Do you even want a board?

    You are also not guaranteed donations or grants. Again, there is huge competition for this-- and a company only has so much to give. Grants are beasts in documentation as well-- and you must file extensive reports to get the money and after assuring the dollars were spent as allocated. Sponsorships do not have the documentation-- and yes, they can write it off as a donation-- but most of the time they take it as an advertising expense which is the same if you were a for profit.

    Really, Randall is so right. Do your business plan and these solutions will probably just bubble up for you.

    Sell Well and Prosper tm

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