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Topic: Strategy

Selling To Folks That Don't "care"

Posted by aaroncagen on 119 Points
We're selling IT service to an "old school"-type oil drilling company.

Apparently, they're spending a good amount on specific software but insist that the IT platform it rests on - and tech support - isn't as important.

How might you suggest we go about getting them to "see the light" so to speak?
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  • Posted by Peter (henna gaijin) on Accepted
    Only way would be to prove to them it is important. Figure out what their pain points are and how your product fixes it. Once you know this, you should do things like make case studies, white papers, or better yet, get testimonials from prior customers showing the benefit they gained by using your product.
  • Posted by Gary Bloomer on Accepted
    Dear Aaron,

    Four words spring to mind here:

    Mean Time Between Failure.

    Rigs without great system defenses tend to kill people.

    One question would be their response to a massive system failure
    at 03:27 on the approach of a major storm: no power, no operations systems, no back up generators, no communications, no SATNAV links, nothing, then see how much the care when they're blind, deaf, and facing the possibility of braking free of their anchors and drifting ...
    potentially costing them billions.

    Their thinking here is the classic "For want of a nail" mentality that cost 13 crew members their lives in the Gulf of Mexico in April.

    There's a great quote from Henry Kissinger that springs to mind here "When you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds are sure
    to follow."

    The first time these clowns find themselves ... how shall I put this? "up shit creek" (yes, that'll do) they'll have a HUGE PROBLEM. An analogy here for them is how much rock would they cut through per hour if their drill head was made of Lego? That's the value of tech support and IT stability.

    I hope this helps.

    Gary Bloomer
    The Direct Response Marketing Guy™
    Wilmington, DE, USA
  • Posted by aaroncagen on Author
    Thanks Gary. Very well put.

    How might you suggest I put this to them?
  • Posted by Gary Bloomer on Member
    Dear Aaron,

    How about short and to the point?

    If this means sitting down with the head honcho and telling to him or
    her to listen to you very carefully because you're only going to say
    what you're about to say once, then so be it.

    Consider telling them frankly, bluntly, that their lack of planning and
    their inability to install disaster management systems could kill someone.

    They might think this is a joke but you know and I know that it's not.

    Think about telling this person that your staff are not the people he or she locks out of the system, that you're there as the fixers, as the clean up squad, as the dead man's handle on the run away train, and that you're there to make people like this person look good in board meetings.

    Consider letting them know that you're also there to stop them from getting sued for hundreds of millions of dollars and to keep their penny pinching backsides out of jail on Federal criminal charges and civil penalties.

    Then consider asking them if they want to be the person that really wants to tell a six year old girl that her daddy died horribly when he was sliced in two by a piece of heavy machinery that was on fire and whirling out of control because her daddy's boss was a penny pinching halfwit that valued the shareholder's dividend over the safety of his or her personnel.

    Consider telling them that if they want all that, that if they truly
    want whatever hell storm is unleashed by their cheap management
    and disregard for human safety then they are to ignore you.

    Your goal here is to let them know that no matter what, THEY NEED
    YOU and your expertise to keep them on the straight and narrow.

    But if you're going to say ANYTHING like this, get it on tape, or on
    video and get the tape transcribed: get the transcription dated, signed, witnessed, and notarized.

    Then make three copies.

    Give one copy to your CPA, one to your attorney, and put the other copy in the company strong box at the bank. That way, if the Feds ever come a-knocking, you have solid evidence to back up your case.

    Your job is to sell your services to cover these people's backsides.
    But your job is also to cover your own butt.

    Now yes, this might mean ruffling a few feathers. It might even mean ticking a few people off, or losing the client. That's a risk you'll have to weigh with your colleagues and let me be clear here: what YOU do or
    say is up to you. I'm not telling you to say anything. But if the contract
    is worth a lot of money to you—and I'm presuming it is, it might be worth taking a few risks in order to secure it.

    The thing is this: in the long run, what's worse? A few ruffled feathers
    and the possibility of a lost contract?

    Or dozens of dead oil workers and another Gulf oil spill? That's not the kind of PR any company needs.

    I'm from a blue collar background and as well as being involved in marketing and design, I've also spent a lot of time on construction sites and in heavy lifting and shifting. Any oil chief that's WORKED on a rig ought to appreciate your honesty.

    If you want to sleep at night and die in your dotage with a clear conscious, and if they don't respect you for speaking your mind, ask yourself if you REALLY want these people as clients? If your answer to this question is that you don't need the hassle and the BS, then walk away if you can. There will always be another client.

    But above everything else, your job is also to cover your own butt. That way, if the Feds ever come a-knocking, you have solid evidence to back up your case.

    On an oil rig, as in construction, things can and do happen very quickly. When things go wrong, the errors compound—one on top of another like a line of dominos—and when extremely large pieces of astonishingly heavy machinery break and go flying across a derrick, particularly one at sea, help, rescue, salvation, whatever the hell you want to call it, can all be a long way off and a long time coming, if they ever show up at all.

    In those moments of time, when every second can last a hundred thousand years and when days and nights can zip by at the speed of light, people can die.

    Many years ago I worked on a railway swing gang.

    Ever been smacked HARD in the face by the kinetic force of a 66 foot long piece of railway track connected to a LARGE crow bar? I have. I'm lucky it didn't split my skull open like a ripe watermelon. And no. I am NOT joking.

    Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING on a railway is on a huge scale: weight, height, everything. The world of heavy engineering is highly unforgiving, thus, IT NEEDS CONTROLS AND SAFEGUARDS, and these people need your services.

    I hope this helps. Good luck to you.

    Gary Bloomer
    The Direct Response Marketing Guy™
    Wilmington, DE, USA

  • Posted by Jay Hamilton-Roth on Accepted
    Gary's given you all the information you need. But can you prove you're the best choice for them to solve their problem? Can you rise to the challenge that showcases the potential headaches they'll be facing?
  • Posted by aaroncagen on Author
    Great answer Gary. Not much else I can honestly say.

    Do you think I can make the case that IT services are THAT critical?

    Jay, how might I PROVE my claims? Testimonials/case studies?

    Thanks again for your help
  • Posted by Gary Bloomer on Member
    Dear Aaron,

    With computer systems controlling so many aspects of heavy industry these days, yes, I think you can.

    Gary Bloomer
    The Direct Response Marketing Guy™
    Wilmington, DE, USA
  • Posted by michael on Accepted
    I suggest that explain that if it isn't a problem now it will be very soon. Give them the signs of a "developing problem" and the long term consequence. Check back with them periodically but stop wasting time on green apples.

    Michael
  • Posted by Jay Hamilton-Roth on Member
    You must showcase your clients' uptime (vs. the "average"). Then it's a basic formula to compute the amount of downtime * value of the time to show why your services are a smart investment.
  • Posted by Chris Blackman on Accepted
    Ask them what would happen in the event of a failure.

    How long could they cope with being off the air?

    What does it cost per day/hour/minute?

    What does their insurance company require them to have in terms of an IT Risk Management Plan?

    Very soon they will be able to connect the dots for themselves.
  • Posted by telemoxie on Accepted
    I am not an attorney, and the information that I have is somewhat dated... but I have heard it said that there are three things which the CEO of a corporation is personally liable for. Despite the protections of a corporate structure, I have heard that a CEO is personally liable for failure to withhold income taxes, enforcement of sexual-harassment related policies, and backup of critical computer information. (more recently, I have also heard that CEOs are personally liable for some environmental related issues)

    The statistics on organizational failure as a function of down time are alarming. Again, my information is out of date, but at one point I heard it said that if a company could not restore its computer operations within a week, the chances of that organization going out of business were over 90%.

    You might want to consult an attorney who is expert in this area. If the rumors are true, and if the CEO is in fact personally liable for negligence related to care of computer files, a well-written (informative, not threatening) letter from a knowledgeable attorney would probably get you an audience with the CEO.

    I've always wanted to try this tactic... if you give this a shot, please send me an e-mail and let me know how it works out.

    Such an approach will very likely ruffle a few feathers. However, this same approach might possibly work to open doors at the highest level of a number of corporations.

    For example, it would be possible to structure a presentation designed to educate CEOs about the issues which could land them in jail (literally). You could then briefly introduce yourself as a corporation which can help them with one aspect of their personal responsibility... and you could partner with organizations which help them address other issues which create personal financial and legal risk for them (e.g. sexual-harassment issues).

    It would help to have some sort of an introductory offer to follow up on such a meeting. For example, you might offer to assist in a test restore of their backup systems. (Are you also offering services as a hot site?).

    Be careful, and good luck.

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