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Marketing Strategy Question About Al Ries's Theory

Posted by pfeng5 on 125 Points
Well, currently I'm just reading the Book, The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing by Al Ries and Jack Trout. This book is awesome. But I have some questions about this positioning theory. In the book, the fifth law, the law of focus, I totally agree that we need to narrow and focus to one word in side of prospect's mind, especially in the over-communicated society. But finding this just one word is not easy. There are some sentences in this book" You can't narrow the focus with quality or any other idea that doesn't have proponents for the opposite point of view. You can't position yourself as an honest politician, because nobody is willing to take the opposite position". According this meaning,I was wondering why Volvo focus the word of safety and Crest choose the word of cavities, cos I think nobody will acknowledge that their car is not safe(the opposite one), nobody will admit their toothpaste can't do cavities thing. Take the Duracell, this company focus the word--long-lasting. But nobody will think their cell are not long-lasting. So are those above sentences not suitable for these cases?
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  • Posted by mgoodman on Moderator
    There's a proven advantage to any claim/word that can be modified with FIRST, BEST or ONLY and still be true.

    Crest was the FIRST cavity-fighting toothpaste. Volvo is the BEST car if all you care about is safety. MarketingProfs is the ONLY online marketing resource with more than 320,000 members. Etc.

    Very often the positioning difference is not just a product feature, but the way it is presented and perceived. People THINK Duracell is long-lasting because (a) its name starts with DURA-, (b) they tell you how long lasting it is in their advertising, and (c) they've made the copper-top a symbol of long-lasting and they "own" that mnemonic device (even if there are copy-cats).
  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Accepted
    If you look at your toothpaste example, Crest is not simply advertising prevention of cavities. You choose the type for prevention of gum disease, whitening, or tarter control, -- they are calling themselves Pro Health. There is no one size fits all toothpaste anymore and no toothpaste appears to do it all. Same with mouthwash.

    As far as your car example-- we are making trade offs for safety. These smaller, fuel efficient vehicles are not safe. I drive one and know my trade off. Some trade style for safety. Volvo isn't out there talking fuel efficiency or style.
  • Posted by Markitek on Member
    Here are two of my highly Mutable rules:

    1 For every rule there are a thousand examples of success breaking it . . . . and since it's Marketing, you'll never know until you try.

    2 Sometime rules are wrong.

    Trout and Ries describe an approach . . . and it's a good one. But it's not a recipe. If you can't fit something into one word, use as many as you like.
  • Posted by steven.alker on Member
    There are a huge number of examples of the use of single word or short phrase positioning statements where you have Yin, but no chance of Yang. For example, "Tasty" Lancashire Cheese is self defining but no one would think of marketing "Tasteless Lancashire Cheese" and "High Impact" anything denies the right of "Low Impact" anything to be impressive, unless it is an ecological or green product when it is the reverse!

    My own feeling is that they have made a gross over simplification in the book!
  • Posted by Gary Bloomer on Member
    Dear pfeng5,

    In order to obtain (and indeed, retain) a market position one must first condition the thinking of one's customer so that your goods, services, or products are the logical first choice when the prospect of customer has need of them.

    Just my humble two cents' worth.

    Gary Bloomer
    The Direct Response Marketing Guy™
    Princeton, NJ, USA
  • Posted by CarolBlaha on Member
    There isn't always a clear leader over just being first. In fact, according to a very widely respected white paper, Coloonizers vs consolidators " The individuals
    or companies that create radically new markets
    are not necessarily the ones that scale them into mass
    markets. Indeed, historical evidence shows that in the
    majority of cases, product and service pioneers are
    almost never the ones to conquer the markets they create."

    https://www.strategy-business.com/media/file/03306.pdf.

    Check it out-- Amazon wasn't the first online book seller. Neither was Etrade or Charles Schwab the first to offer online stock services.

    Hence Gary is right on. "Since the new product or service does not meet an immediate, well-articulated need, it is likely that a long period of time will pass before customers adopt it. Hence, one can expect adoption rates to be slow. Since there are no well-articulated needs, it it is impossible to be sure of the right design of a new product or service built on the new technology."

    Also take in consideration the culture of the org-- colonizers are risk takers-- consolidators move slow. There is a positive and negative to both cultures. But as we know from business starts and the % of success, risk takers may have the disadvantage. But when you are right-- I believe you are paid by the amount of risk you take.
  • Posted by SteveByrneMarketing on Member
    Hi pfeng5,

    Ries and Trout’s positioning theories were born out of packaged goods case studies in the 60’s and times have changed. As mgoodman points out, Crest was the “cavity” toothpaste and Volvo was the “safety” automobile, in perception as the advertisements claimed way back then.

    Al Ries has continued to write (along with his daughter Laura Ries) as if brands could still make simple claims that will hold up with consumers. It rarely works. As Carol points out, Crest and other major toothpaste brands of today claim every possible benefit thus diluting the original differentiations. But then again there is Sensodyne claiming the word “sensitivity”. And there is the Twiiter claiming “short text” (ok two words, but still a focused territorial claim).

    For me, Ries and Trout’s theories remain fundamental touchstones during brand strategy development sessions. Not perfect, not as contemporary, but still worthy guides for branding goals - clarity and claim of brand territory within a segmented competitive landscape.

    hope this helps,

    Steve
  • Posted by pfeng5 on Author
    It's impressive. Well, I agree with what Steve said, sometimes it's hard to define the focus and it's all depending on which perspective you are looking from. I mean, taking the Crest for example, from the perspective of Cavity in toothpaste, Crest has diluted the original differntiations. But from the point of the whole term--toothpaste, even though Crest selling the whiten feature, Crest still keep focus, because Crest still doing toothpaste, rather than going to sell shampoo or books. So I think everything is relative, especially in the changeable market area.

    Well, Positioning theory was born in 60s, quite long long ago. But it's still a good guide to refer. There is a interesting thing. I have a friend from China. He's done many years as marketing manager in a big local company. He told me that Positioning theory by Jack Trout is increasing popular in current China, cos the current Chinese market situation is similar with the American condition in 60s and some local companies made huge success in short time after using this theory. I'm not sure that... LOL Just sharing this information. Do anyone have any idea about it ?

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