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Topic: Taglines/Names

Does This Flow? If Not, I Need Help!

Posted by BlueSage on 125 Points
I have coined a new word, Hairoism™ which I have yet to trademark. The slogan with it, I am trying to flow from the sound of heroism to hairoism™.

slogan/tagline is: Strength for your hair
- Courage to be seen

Yes? No?

Does the tagline get tm'd at the same time as the main word?

Lastly, which is of more importance, get the UPC first or the trademark first?

I think TM, but have been known to be wrong. :)

Thanks,

Janine
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  • Posted on Accepted
    It depends on who your prime target audience is. What works for one audience may not work for another. See what YOUR audience thinks. For me, "Hairoism" doesn't say much, but maybe I'm atypical -- I don't want my hair to be particularly strong or heroic.

    As for what comes first, it should be clear and effective communication of your positioning promise -- the key benefit you want people to associate with your product or service. Get that right, and everything else will follow.

    And did you mean UPC or URL? The UPC is one of the last things you'll need to worry about ... right before you finalize packaging (assuming you're going to be distributed through retail outlets that require a UPC).

    The URL comes sooner, especially if you're going to be selling online. And I'd still get the positioning right before I settled on a name or a URL.

    Don't fixate on the name or the tagline. Get the positioning statement perfect instead. Figure out what important unmet need your target audience has that you satisfy, and focus your efforts on communication of that benefit.
  • Posted on Accepted
    Hello. I'm not sure if this is how to respond to your question on what I consider vintage but.... I call anything from the 80's and beyond vintage. I thank you for your help.

    I do like hairoism....
    how about; " courage to be sheen?"

    Best wishes.
  • Posted by BlueSage on Author
    Thank you everyone.

    I have a URL. Thank you for the answers on the UPC.

    The shampoo is seabuckthorn shampoo which thickens hair and grows hair in on some people. [many reports of it, however I'm not making claims for anyone, just what it has done for us]

    I am in a niche market for rosacea, eczema, hair loss/thinning, problem skin basically. I am, and have been the only purveyor of an oil, in bulk, high in demand. [I'm trying *very* hard to stay away from marketing here]

    I found the names of two products I have been using have been taken. One by a company way to large for me to fight and another by spelling it differently.
    So I am trying to name my products with good names, then TM them, so my goods stand out from the rest by their name first, if someone doesn't know how good they are.

    I'm hoping to get more responses for the tagline.

    Janine
  • Posted on Accepted
    hairoism - I like it. I looked up Heroism definitions on the web to see if they could spur an idea...

    1. the qualities of a hero or heroine; exceptional or heroic courage when facing danger (especially in battle); wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
    2. In many myths and folk tales, a hero is a man or woman (the latter often called a heroine), traditionally the protagonist of a story, legend or saga, who commonly possesses abilities or character far greater than that of a typical person, which enable him or her to perform some truly extraordinary, beneficial deed (a "heroic deed") for which he or she is famous. These powers are sometimes not only of the body but also of the mind. Heroes are typically opposed by villains.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroism

    I like the part about posessing far greater of that than a typical person (product in this case), which enable him or her (it in this case) to perform truly extraordiany deed.

    Hairoism:
    winning the battle
    legondary shampoo
    stand out the way you want
    stand out with confidence
    the confidence to be seen

    I'm not sure where i am going, but hopefully this helps trigger new ideas for you and others.


  • Posted on Member
    Who is your customer? I still don't understand. Is it a reseller or an end-user? If it's a reseller, is it a doctor, an herbalist, a traditional retailer (of what kind of products), a wholesaler (what kind), a nutraceutical store, drug store, other?

    It's really difficult to determine if a name is appropriate if you don't know for whom the name is supposed to mean something. If this is supposed to seem medicinal for people with sick skin, that's very different than if it's supposed to sound like a cosmetic product that improves appearance and makes you beautiful.

  • Posted by BlueSage on Author
    I'ts mostly medicinal with some cosmetic. Most men and women use the product to kill demodex mites, grow in hair, thicken hair, have a natural shampoo to use, because it cleans well and doesn't leave any residue without stripping the hair. That's the shampoo.
    Users are split 50/50 on gender.

    the Seabuckthorn Hair Therapy does the same except for the cleansing and is used because it strengthens the hair, takes away frizzies, repairs split ends and encourages hair growth. More men than women use this product. It's mostly cosmetic.

    The end user is the consumer. At some point we may try getting the products in stores, we are constantly asked about it by customers.

    Whether it's a health food store or a boutique, the features and benefits are the same.

    The name is not just Hairoism™, it's
    Hairoism™ Seabuckthorn Shampoo or
    Hairoism™ Seabuckthorn Hair Therapy

    I would like it to eventually be seen as its own
    brand.

    So...would
    Hairoism™ Seabuckthorn Shampoo
    Win the hair battle

    be better?

    So you got me to thinking. I guess I better post another question.

    Janine
  • Posted on Accepted
    Janine, there is something about "Hairoism" that doesn't quite cut it for a consumer brand. It doesn't sound right, and I'm having a problem explaining the reaction.

    Maybe it's that the benefit isn't there, or the connection to Heroism isn't immediately obvious. Or something. And if you don't "get the joke" immediately, then the brand name begins to sound like an Organism or a religion (a la Taoism) of some kind.

    It just doesn't sound like a legitimate brand name for the product you're describing. I'd rather see you go with something more crunchy and familiar like "Aunt Janine's Seabuckthorn Hair Therapy System." (I'm not pushing that one specifically, but simply illustrating another possible tack you can take.)
  • Posted on Member
    I keep trying to say the name "Hairoism" as though it were Japanese, prounounced "Ha-EE-roh-ism." I have no idea if "Hairo" ("Ha-EE-roh") is even a word in Japanese, but it sounds like it could be.

    (I still remember how to count in Japanese, and I can still order a Sapporo draft beer with the best of them!)
  • Posted by Jay Hamilton-Roth on Accepted
    I think that Haroism has too many syllables. For me, there's a subtle religious overtone, which might also be off-putting.

    You'll want to trademark both the name of your product and the tagline.
  • Posted on Member
    OK. I've come up with a compelling reason to stop thinking about Hairoism as your brand name: It's being used already for hair care products -- at least in the context of the Japanese pronounciation and spelling "Hairo" (probably with the intent of a double meaning of "Hair-O").

    See this website: https://www.jsiming.com/hairo_productLabels_manga.htm

    I also found it in a glossary of colors in Japanese:

    GRAY in Japanese,

    1. the word gray is sometimes called “mouse color” (nezumi-iro)
    2. the word gray is sometimes called “elephant color (hairo).


  • Posted by Chris Blackman on Accepted
    Janine

    Sounds like Michael Goodman is encouraging you to "wash that name right out of your hair".

    Have you explored the opportunities afforded by the botanical name for see buckthorn? It's called Elaeagnaceae, which immediately looks to me like Elegant, which one would think would be something most people would want their hair to be.

    Even Michael!

    You could work with it to make it

    Elegans
    Elegance
    Elegante
    Elegantissimo

    Any value in pursuing this course?

    ChrisB
  • Posted by BlueSage on Author
    Thank you everyone.

    Michael, I see your point. I did a poll on my email list and it's a 50/50 split on liking the name or not.
    Same as on here. 2 for and 2 against.

    I thought the tagline was the descriptive reference for the product.

    Any ideas on another name that is unisex and not homey? lol

    Janine

  • Posted by BlueSage on Author
    The big point is the seabuckthorn in the shampoo. If that word is not in the name, no one will know what it is, other than another shampoo on the market.

    So I guess I'll drop any tries to name it something and just keep Blue Sage Naturals Seabuckthorn Shampoo.

    Thank you everyone.

    Janine

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