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Topic: SEO/SEM

Generating Keywords

Posted by Peter (henna gaijin) on 500 Points
I am kind of old school on generating keywords for website SEO and for PPC ads. I generally try to think about what a prospective customer would plug into Google to solve a need they have that we can fill, and focus on these search terms as keywords.

For one client, a tech company that helps commercial buildings save energy (so non-tech clients), they created a new web site and I have been pushing to include some key words into the body of the pages to improve their SEO. Page is a bit too tech jargony, in my opinion. But not looking to get people here to review their web site, but wanted to go over how keywords (for SEO and also for things like Google AdWords) should be created.

Question 1: A social media firm that works for this same client was asked and they said they ran a "keyword generator" - sounds like some sort of program that parses something. How do these work? Are they any good? If it is basing on the content of the client's web site, then it is a catch 22 if we don't have the right keywords in the web site. Wouldn't a jargonny web site will result in jargonny keywords?

Question 2: In general, how do you best find the right keywords to focus on?
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  • Posted by mgoodman on Accepted
    We have found the Google Adwords keyword generator to be pretty good. It almost always gives us enough to work with, and it suggests negative keywords that we might not have thought of on our own. Of course, as we gain experience and see what works best, we add/delete and expand the list (including negative keywords).

    At the beginning we start with a dozen of the words WE think would work well. The keyword generator builds on that list. I suspect Google has some very clever/sophisticated AI algorithms.

    Also recommended: Use SpyFu.com to see what keywords competitors are using.
  • Posted by Jay Hamilton-Roth on Accepted
    Keyword generators work using keywords/phrases you type in, and then attempt to identify synonyms, common misspellings, etc. to build a set of suggested keywords. Google's free keyword generator is good. There are also many others, many of which are free: keywordtool.io, lsigraph.com, ubersuggest.io, etc. Also, if their website already has Google Analytics installed, you may be able to better understand what keywords people currently use to find them. That'll ensure that you don't accidentally remove these keywords from consideration. Also, try out SEO SpyGlass to find the keywords that your competition is using well.
  • Posted by Peter (henna gaijin) on Author
    I looked into the Google option and it talks about how you either enter in some keywords or can point it to a landing page and it will try to parse out keywords.

    If you used the web site to determine keywords you want in the web site is the catch 22 I was figuring would happen - it can't tell you what keywords you are missing in web site, but would only suggest keywords you already have there.
  • Posted by mgoodman on Accepted
    Not sure about that, Peter. Google has a fairly sophisticated "thesaurus" that leads it to words you may never have used. They also know what keywords are working for other web pages with words/text similar to yours. Example: We were looking for tenants facing eviction, and Google suggested something like "missed rent payment."
  • Posted by Peter (henna gaijin) on Author
    Mggodman - thanks.

    In your first post, you said "At the beginning we start with a dozen of the words WE think would work well. " How do you choose words you think will work? I assume you try to think like a possible customer and what they would search for to solve a problem that your product solves?
  • Posted by mgoodman on Accepted
    When possible we actually talk with recent customers/visitors and encourage them to describe their journey, the purchase decision process, the key considerations, etc. That's the best way.

    Other times we see what keywords competitors use. Or, if they have a website with Google Analytics installed, we simply look at the search terms that led people to the site. (I recognize that's a kind of reinforcing logic.)

    Finally, we do a series of interviews with client personnel who actually interact directly with customers and see what THEY think customers search for. The logic here is that these people are closest to the customer ... and very often they come up with keywords we wouldn't have thought to include.

    Net, a little bit of market research can go a long way. It also helps us with copy development for the ad and the landing page, because we begin to understand how the customer thinks, what's important to them, what words or phrases are turn-ons for them, etc.

    Hope this helps. Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
  • Posted by Gary Bloomer on Accepted
    Keyword generators work, as far as i can tell, by accessing the API of a specific search engine. From this these programs can syphon off all kinds of search terms that are broad match and direct match returns. There are various free and paid versions. Google's Keyword Planner has changed in recent years so that its returns are tied to active PPC campaigns. This means its free returns offer less specific results.

    Two premium services that might be worth looking at are SEM Rush and SpyFu. I use Market Samurai, which is also pretty good, and LongTailPro, which I've had a few issues with. Moz is another decent service.

    In terms of "best" keywords, that really depends on the niche, the keyword or key phrase, and the geo modifiers you attache. If your market is for common, heavily searched for terms such as fat loss, mortgage, or car insurance, PROCEED WITH CAUTION, because it will be difficult is not impossible to rank well for those kinds of terms, I've tended to focus on exact matches in terms of keyword phrases rather than for specific single keywords, and I tend to do so for phrases for which there is an exact match in terms of an available domain name.

    With this approach it's possible to rank far higher search results in geo-specific markets in which there is less general competition and for which there is a healthy enough number of monthly searches.

    I hope this helps.

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