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Topic: E-Marketing

Linkedin - How Good Is It Really?

Posted by AriRose on 500 Points
I've been hearing, reading and listening (to various marketing webinars) on the value of joining LinkedIn for its social networking value. I joined a couple of weeks ago, have been building my connections, reading the questions/answers, etc.. but still don't see the real power everyone is so excited about.

I'm not looking for a job, or connecting with high-school buddies. I'm simply looking to meet professionals, share my company's expertise (Human Resources/Labor Law Consulting) and find business opportunities.

Am I missing something here? Thanks.

(my urgency is that as Director of Marketing, I'm supposed to train the sales staff as how to start utilizing Web 2.0 in their personal marketing plans, and the power of LinkedIn, but I haven't found it yet myself!)
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  • Posted on Member
    You're not alone. I've been on Linkedin for a year or so, I've not found a lot of benefit personally, I do it because it's another link to our main site, and it's worth that for sure. I have been able to recommend a friend or two to requests, but not much more. Of course, I'm not paying either.

    I have been having much better results with Facebook, and recommend making a profile there. And join other Facebook business groups from there on. You have a lot of posting opportunities open to you here.

    I invite you to join one or more of our marketing groups, we have state ones and an international one. You can see them here: https://www.nmoa.org/articles/dmnews/NewNMOANetworkingGroups.htm
  • Posted on Accepted
    I think that one common thread of Web 2.0 and its elements is that it takes some time for online communities and tools to show their value. I think we sometimes expect instant or extreme results through using blogs, online comunities, etc., but it's my experience that Web 2.0 works best as a complement that you use over time, observe over time, and gain insight from over time.

    There could be a contact, topic, or avenue where your expertise is needed, and you may not see it until a month from now or further down the road. That's where the importance/role you assign to Web 2.0 is key, if you view it as something that yields a return in days or weeks, I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment because those are exceptions rather than norms. On the flip side, if you view Web 2.0 as one element in a mix of others, then you will be able to shape your approach and your metrics to account for how gradual Web 2.0's effect is.

    There is no Web 2.0 rulebook, but best practices suggest that the most successful Web 2.0 tools/campaigns are those that are scalable based on the particular industry, the target audience, and the realities of the market. If a group/individual is devoting the majority of their time to Web 2.0 when their audience/market isn't really in tune with those tools, then their ROI may never be worth it because they are putting in way too much time and effort based on what will be a small return given their scenario. Meanwhile, the best users of Web 2.0 know how to use their specific situation to tailor the resources they devote to it.

    So, LinkedIn can offer value, but it takes some time - just like alot of other online communities and web tools. The key is devoting just enough time to it to put yourself in a position to yield results in the future. If you're visible and positioned around communities such as LinkedIn and KHE, there will be opportunities for discussion & sharing of expertise - those two elements don't always guarantee business opportunities, but they certainly make them more likely.
  • Posted by Frank Hurtte on Accepted
    Let me share my story...
    I had 28 years of industry experience when I formed River Heights Consulting. During those 28 years I have worked with litterally hundreds of others. Some were very close friends, others were friends and some were aquaintences. I did my best to keep in touch with most of them, but you know how life goes. We exchanged Christmas Cards for a few years then something happened. They moved, I moved or we just lost touch.

    When I founded River Heights Consulting, I decided I would not try to sell to my friends, instead I would ask my friends to help me spot opportunities. Obviously the more friends I could keep in touch with the better. I went through my archives and started rebuilding my friends list.

    Linked-in has helped me find friends from years ago, reconnect with friends from college and helped people find me.

    I rarely need to make a completely cold call. I can nearly always find somebody who knows the person I want to speak with.

    But it isnt a one way street. I have assisted others in finding jobs, new employees and long lost friends.

    Can I put a dollar value on this? Not really but I can asure you it is part of my ongoing plan.
  • Posted by Tracey on Member
    I am pretty much in agreement with schulte. I haven't found much value with LinkedIn (yet). However, there is a lot more that I could be doing that I haven't devoted the time to. If I followed best practices, and started engaging in conversations, asking questions, providing recommendations, etc.... then it might be more useful. At the very least, I want to be on it to keep in touch with old colleagues -- and also because I feel I should be as a marketer. I can always devote more time to it in the future.

    I've found more use out of Facebook, both for personal and business. One of my biggest challenges with the Web 2.0 stuff is prioritizing my time to what nets the most benefit. I would like to start a marketing blog because it's a nice way to demonstrate perspective, and it's a good creative/thinking exercise -- plus I could link that in to Facebook.
  • Posted by melissa.paulik on Member
    Linked In is only a small piece of the puzzle. The web provides unprecedented access to information. Speaking from a B2B perspective, you can get access to all kinds of free information that can help you plan your sales calls. Of course, the value proposition of the web breaks down a bit if you're focusing on privately held small businesses.

    I often use:
    Google - just doing a search can provide great information for most publicly held companies and some larger private companies. Setting up alerts can give you immediate insights into any public information that may be relevant to the opportunity.
    Zapdata - good if your team needs to do any of their own market analysis.
    Hoover's - even the basic free service can give you good information about a company.
    Linked In - I would use this to research specific individuals. if you're selling to an Exec that maintains a Linked In profile, you may be able to see other roles they've held, the school they went to etc.

    Good luck!

    Melissa
  • Posted by AriRose on Author
    Thank you for all the feedback so for, but I am still left with a practical question - you all (correctly) suggest that the more effort you put will result in greater returns. My questions is, what exactly is the "effort", whether in LinkedIn or Facebook? Just responding to questions? Asking questions?

    I'd like to understand better HOW to get more involved (assuming I have the time!).
  • Posted by michael on Member
    I have found the value to be when I NEED a contact I can find one. So it's not so much the time I spend there...though I do answer questions.

    The "groups" section I haven't found too helpful though.

    BUT I have linked up friends and that has turned into business for me...as a way of saying "thanks"

    Yesterday I heard the Chinese adage: The pipe that fills the bucket gets just as wet as the bucket.


    Michael
  • Posted by Tracey on Member
    The efforts I refered to could include:

    - Responding to/Asking questions
    - Writing recommendations for people, asking for the same (LinkedIn)
    - Including links to your blog, guest blog posts, speaking engagements, etc.
    - Include your blog posts, podcasts (Perhaps even do an RSS feed)-Facebook
    - Facebook - join relevant groups (marketing, web 2.0 etc.) & start conversations with individuals you want to network with (though I believe this "virtual" interaction is hard to sustain without meeting them in real life)
    - Create a personal branding tagline
    -Optimizing the copy for search, as much as is possible
  • Posted by darcy.moen on Member
    Hanging your shingle anywhere is only hanging your shingle. How many other folks have hung out theirs? In the grand scheme of thinks, you're basically another grain of sand on the seashore.

    Let's face facts folks, we are not the best looking babe in the bar and can afford to sit on the barstool waiting for all the guys to come over and buy US drinks. Heck no, we have to get out and CIRCULATE!

    I'm reminded of the old asian proverb: 'Man sit with open mouth long time waiting for duck to fly in' meaning, you have to put some effort into a resource before you can expect a result back from it.

    So, you listed yourself on LinkedIn. How nice. If that's all you've done, congrats, you've just created a field of dreams location (if you build it, will they come?). As I said, you have to circulate. Check out the other folks. MINGLE. Invite folks to link. Give a lead, ask for a lead. But for everyone's sake, don't assume the world is going to beat a path to YOUR door, or that you are DUE for massive traffic just because you exist. Oh no my friends, traffic is EARNED!

    Relying on Search is a waiting game. Adding more profiles on www.naymz.com and www.ryze.com will raise your search, your page rank, as well as increase your odds of being FOUND. But, getting into folks faces and seeking out new contacts is really the only way to build your contact list. As you expand your network, your network will repay you with more referrals back. As my friend Steve of BNI says, givers gain.

    Darcy Moen
    Custoemr Loyalty Network
  • Posted by Neil on Accepted
    Put some effort into building your contacts and so on but look at it as an event you attend where you exchange business cards. Business people do that all the time but they do not expect instant results.

    You join it to network. If you get business, great. If you are in it for quick sales then it is going to turn people off just like if you went to a networking event of some sort and were all about self promotion and promotion of your product.

    In this respect, it is very similar to real world networking. Networking does not yield instant results and results should not be your only goal. But sometimes the seeds you have planted yield fruit. If you do not have the patience for that, you probably would hate real world networking.

    If you DO have the patience for real world networking, then LinkIn can work for your, too. I know plenty of people who have benefited from both Web 2.0 networking and real world networking but rarely instantly in either case.
  • Posted by Harry Hallman on Member
    I suggest you read this white paper "Creating Digital Footprints Your Prospects Can Follow -Business-to-business"
    https://www.octanecorp.com/portals/5/whitepaper/DigitalFootPrintsb2b.pdf

    Also, you can get some other white papers on the subject at www.marcomgeek.com.

    Personally, I have found Linkedin to be a great benefit. I have made sales by reconnecting with old colleges and established relationships with new people. I recently gave a talk to a corporate group on the subject and as a result several people established Linkedin accounts and are doing very well with them.

    There are about 19 million people on Linkedin, so chances are you will be able to create a reasonable network of people who can influence your sales. You have to be active by reaching out and by posing and answering questions.
  • Posted by matthewmnex on Accepted
    Wow, This post really sparked a tremendous amount of interest and varied top class replies. I think that alone will start to show to you the power of social networking :)

    Here is my humble opinion for what it is worth.

    marketing in the online space (web 2.0 3.0 or whatever you want to call it) is exactly the same as marketing in the offline space.

    It has always been the case that if you could find a group of like minded individuals who share a common purpose (like a club for instance). Then you could sell something to them. Not just anything of course but something relevant to their particular line of interest.

    What was difficult previously was that you needed to join all these clubs and pretend to actually be interested in golf or star trek or whatever :)

    Now with web 2.0 you can join a social networking site and within the millions of users there, gain access to 'clubs' (groups of like minded individuals who share a common interest) in fashion, or music or marketing (such as marketing profs). So now you can offer relevant products and or services to these communities just like before.

    many companies (like ours) are hiring swathes of college kids just to spend al day chatting inside 'face book' 'my space' 'aujourdhui.com' etc etc.

    Their job is to post interesting blogs and great videos and make sure plenty of users are getting to see them. From within there, we redirect some of those users to our paying services. It works.

    In our case, we are using interns to do it but many companies are hiring people in India and Philippines who work for $5.00 per day just to do these activities. (we are hiring 5 more interns this week just to get into it).

    Currently, I am having difficulty to hire journalists and writers form the Philippines because they are all already snapped up by marketing companies from the US. They are spending 8 hours per day working from home with their lap tops, just blogging :) There are litteraly thousands of them doing it daily and after a while they get good at it.

    Hope that these insights are useful.
  • Posted by betterwords4you on Accepted
    I like LinkedIn but like many people commenting here haven't invested enough time in it yet to make it work for me. (As an old Asia hand I appreciate the elegant Chinese quotes posted above, but also like Lenny Bruce's much earthier one-liner: "Life is like a sewer; what you get out of it depends on what you've put into it.")

    It's not too early to begin looking beyond Web 2.0. In a year or so there will be so much self-serving pap on Facebook etc that the content will be about as easily verifiable as a politician's campaign assurances. Even today we see weekly reminders that people aren't what they seem (fictional "memoirs" etc), and Wikipedia warns us to take their "expert" articles with significant grains of salt.

    I think the insights offered by various "Everything Is Miscellaneous" materials are good signposts toward Web 2.0's systemic weaknesses, which can only become more problematic until one of us notices that Emperor 2.0 has no clothes on, and figures out how to do something productive about it.

    At Least LinkedIn takes its members seriously enough to deny certain privileges to people who misrepresent themselves, or try to inflate their networks with people who don't know them. That's why so many executives are listed in LinkedIn--and is something you can't get with Facebook etc, as far as I know. The promise of getting more reliable as well as relevant information is a good reason to invest the time it takes to make LinkedIn work for you.

    I look forward to the MarketingProfs webinar in May
  • Posted by AriRose on Author
    I want to thank everyone for the great feedback and interest in the topic. I am looking forward to the seminar in May, and hope that by that time I will be a LinkedIn guru!

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