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Topic: Branding

How To Move Traditional Marketers To Digital

Posted by billthomasweb on 500 Points
I am the Director of Internet marketing at a large CPG company and recently have been charged to develop a three-year strategy with an objective of moving our mostly traditional marketing teams to be more at ease with the digital space. After just a brief deep-dive into the organization’s processes and methodology I have come to the conclusion that the entire CPG culture must be changed, not just marketing. Everything from marketing, sales, customer service, market research, corporate communications, and PR must shift away from focusing on product messaging and more on the consumer’s needs and wants. After conversing with counterparts in other CPG companies it seems this cultural resistance to change is common and widespread. Have any of you experienced this? Any ideas to get started? Big topic facing many CPG companies today.
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  • Posted by ilan on Member
    With all due respect, this is a huge subject and none of the answers you will get will give you a solution.
    As a branding expert who faces the CPG companies (as well as others) I am too familiar with the fear and the lip service you are talking about. But each company has to chart its own solution and path into the digital space, I simply don't believe that Unilever must have the same solutions as P&G...as well as you.
    I'll be happy to talk to you off the forum and see if I can provide you with advice and maybe a solution based on a bit more information from you.
    Good luck!
  • Posted by billthomasweb on Author
    Thank you, ilan. I agree with you that this is a big question and deserves a bigger forum. But, with the task I've been charged there must be somethings I can do. Align with the right agencies and hold monthly digital training classes, maybe. Or, challenge the agencies to focus more on digital strategies. I'm not looking so much to solve the problem, but just to get some idea on where to start.
  • Posted by melissa.paulik on Accepted
    A few ideas:

    Whenever I am charged with leading a big change in an organization that may be resistant to it, I remind myself to take it one step at a time. Unless you are the CEO, you can't go in and decree change without inadvertently setting up resistance.

    I like using a quadrant with one axis being degree of difficulty to implement the change and the other axis being degree of positive impact the change will have. Those changes with the largest impact but the lowest degree of difficulty are "low hanging fruit." If implemented quickly and successfully, they can get the rest of the team on board with some of the changes that are more difficult.

    This quadrant approach can also help since you need to develop a 3-year plan. It shows you what to do first, but it also shows you which activities are important but can wait until the later stages. So many times, I see change leaders try to implement everything at once.

    I think you also have to be careful with your approach. You know a lot about your subject and it sounds like you want to work with people who have their own areas of expertise. Make sure that you enlist their help and ideas instead of telling them they are "doing it all wrong." You will need to craft your spoken words carefully.

    It might be a good time to read books on things like working with emotional intelligence or leading change. This way, you'll have a better idea of how to handle the inevitable resistance that flares up no matter how careful you are.

    All the best!

    Melissa
  • Posted by billthomasweb on Author
    Melissa, thank you. You are absolutely right. I guess the key is collaboration, not condemnation. The quadrant approach has a lot of merit and I will seek the reading you suggest. Any specific titles I should consider?

  • Posted by billthomasweb on Author
    Mike, you make a good point. Getting the C-levels to buy in is not a problem, but getting them to champion my efforts may be. They may worry about creating a turf war, but I'll work on it.
  • Posted by Sachin on Accepted
    I like Melissa and Mike's approach and I am sure it would be of great help to start off with.

    In my present company I and my boss were given to introduce a completely new Marketing Function (no traditional marketing existed previously). So, our job was easier than yours as we introduced the Digital Marketing. However, the journey was definitely challenging in the past 1 yr. and I have learnt a lot and I can share some of my learning.

    -Make 3 one yearly plans. (Broad objectives per year all adding up to a 3yr strategy)
    -Start with 2 departments.
    -Start with basics.
    -Let them get addicted to 1 digital marketing aspect which is going to be most beneficial for them.
    -Show benefits and direct revenue impact to CXO and keep the management buy-in alive.

    Take the fun approach while working with traditional marketers by explaining how digital marketing can be fun and how it can make them superstars and get better results too!

    By the end of 1 yr you would have proved direct revenue enhancement, impact and ease of use of Digital Media in atleast 2 depts. and I am sure the remaining departments would work much faster for you.

    Do keep in touch and tell us after one year how it went for you?

    Best,
    Sachin
  • Posted by billthomasweb on Author
    Thank you Sachin for sharing your personal experience. I found it helpful. Especially the part of letting them get addicted to 1 digital marketing aspect which is going to be most beneficial for them. I also agree that breaking down a 3 yr plan into 3 smaller annual objectives allows for better measurement and flexibility.
  • Posted on Accepted
    I have been in this kind of situation and I agree with Mike that it can be wise to use external expertise. We used the services of FreshForward (https://www.freshforward.nl/ ), a well known Dutch ( so this can hardly be considered as a plug) specialized in brand and concept development.

    They change a bunch of people with no direction in a team with a common goal, a shared sense of urgency for change and , very important, a healthy sence of looking after each other. There must be some sort of agency available in your area.
  • Posted by ilan on Accepted
    I'll give you an outside resource that can help you in defining the broad issues facing your company. While doing so, you may need to conduct some very honest internal discussions and see what is the motivation for certain people within the organization to resist change.
    I know that the person in charge of the organization I recommend has dome some amazing work with other well known brands, and has conducted a few workshops where you do get white smoke out the chimney at the end...
    And yes, it means that there could be a recognition who stand in the way of success, how to deal with it and if needed, how to remove the problem.
    Go to: www.spark-us.com
  • Posted by billthomasweb on Author
    Thank you both, ilan and info for your recommendations, I will check them both out. I would like to engage the organization first, find out where the problems/issues lie, before seeking outside help. But, I do concede at some point outside help will be necessary to move forward.
  • Posted by Tracey on Accepted
    Does your organization have a strong (& specific) branding plan in place -- either internal, external, or both? I've found that it helps to tie my initiatives' objectives back to the brand or values of the company. For example, "Our company's stated brand value is___, which is why we need to embrace digital marketing". That brand value might be keeping close proximity to the customer or knowing what the customer wants (web 2.0 encourages feedback), being current/modern/cutting-edge -- there are a lot of things that could easily tie back to digital marketing. Or, you might explain that digital marketing is necessary to "fish where the fish are".

    One book I've found helpful regarding this subject is "The Fifth Discipline" by Peter Senge. Hope that helps - you've got a big job ahead of you!
  • Posted by jenshinn on Accepted
    I would give people the facts they might not be aware of regarding the Internet, how it's used, where it's going and most importantly how your target audience uses it. Show them how it's quicker, easier often cheaper to reach people where they are...on the Internet.

    Traditional marketing will always have a place but, it's becoming less and less important. If they buy into what's truly happening in the world today and they feel their jobs are secure they will want to help you and the culture will start to change.

    Give them the facts as often as you can. Post them in your office, share them with people who stop in to see you, put notes up by the coffee machine...knowledge is power! Educate them.
  • Posted by billthomasweb on Author
    Tracey, I think you may have revealed a very important underlying point. In my case our organization suffers from a lack of strong planning. Our marketers mostly react to competitor actions. Even a three year business plan is yet to be seen. I agree with you that if we could get them to define a long term strategy that ties back to the consumer, my job would be easier.

    This ties directly with what jenshinn has stated that Web 2.0 would then become relevant to their direct needs for success. Analytical metrics, testing, search strategies, and exploring the social tools would all be on their radar. I agree that education is the key. The challenge is that sr. management does not demand the growth, thus the training becomes just another mandatory task with little meaning to their routine. I fear web, at least for the short term, must be dictated a bit from the C-levels. If it is left as an option the marketers stay in their traditional comfort zones.

  • Posted on Accepted
    All excellent answers here! I really seems your task is more about change management, my comments elaborate on jenshinn said- points you might use to "sell" digital marketing.

    In the end digital marketing is just "regular" marketing with modern tools. You still need to understand your audience, their needs, wants and aspirations, and how your product benefits can help them meet their unmet needs.

    What IS different about digital marketing though is how you deliver your message. Interruption-style mass media techniques don't work anymore. They haven't for years no matter how hard "traditional" marketers might try. Customers are no longer passive, they are organized and talking amongst themselves, outside of the boundaries of the company websites and brochures.

    Companies that blindly go about using traditional techniques, ignoring the changing face of consumers, will find themselves reeling in a few years. Now that's a compelling argument if you ask me.

    Two books you might find interesting are Cluetrain Manifesto and Meatball Sundae. Both are easy to read and can help you sell digital marketing when the time comes.

    Best of Luck!
  • Posted by SRyan ;] on Member
    Meatball Sundae! Seth Godin did an online seminar for MarketingProfs on that very subject... might make a nice icebreaker for a discussion with some key players in your org?

    It's not the total answer, of course, but it could help put some of your goals in context.
  • Posted by billthomasweb on Author
    Being a huge fan of Seth Godin, and as one who has read his book and enjoyed the online seminar as SRyan mentioned, I agree that his ideas are a great place to start a dialog. And you're right ericlowe01, I too feel my challenge is more of a change management issue than a marketing one. Thank you for your great insight. And, I also agree that the answers here are Fantastic and are of great help.
  • Posted by melissa.paulik on Member
    Bill,

    First of all, nice personal website. I've long been meaning to create my own site for some of my white papers and such, but still haven't gotten past the blog stage.

    To answer your question about recommended readings, I just wrote a post with several suggestions and some links to some interesting blogs. https://themarketingsurvivalist.blogspot.com/2008/08/developing-emotional-i...

    All the best!

    Melissa



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