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Topic: Advertising/PR

Your Thoughts On This New Rebate/discount System

Posted by Anonymous on 250 Points
Please share your thoughts and first impressions of our new rebate/discount program called SNAP FOR DOLLARS. I'm interested in hearing your ideas why this new system would or would not work. How do you think CPG's will view this new system? The minimum product rebate is one dollar. CPG's pay us $2.00 per unit sold and we rebate $1.00 of that amount back to shoppers. We are using a webpage instead of an app to reach a wider shopper audience. The website is optimized for mobile phones and can be viewed at www.snapfordollars.com

Thanks for your input! James Thomas
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  • Posted by Peter (henna gaijin) on Accepted
    Most rebates seem to run in the order of 1%. For example, if you look at miles from Airline programs the value ends up being around 1%. I am assuming the "CPG's pay us $2.00 per unit sold and we rebate $1.00 of that amount back to shoppers." was just an example, and that the CPG wouldn't have to pay you $2 for every sale no matter how large or small? But that the CPG pays x amount and half of that amount is rebated to the end user?

    One large challenge will be to both sign up retailers/manufacturers and end users. Consumers will sign up as they want the rebate. But you didn't say what is in it for the CPG? The assumption is that the CPG would get more business out of this, justifying the cost. You will need to state that explicitly. Better yet, talk about how this brings in new business for them (not just cannibalizing old business, now at a discounted price).

    Is the retailer involved? How does the tracking of a sale of the specific product and paying out of the rebate work? Have you put in place all of that logistics? If it is involves a store, do you have a way to make sure they want to do this (e.g. they get some sort of financial cut to give an incentive to do this)?
  • Posted on Author
    Peter thanks for response. CPG's are now paying out between $1.50 - 2.25 every time a one dollar coupon is redeemed. So this new system is in line with what they are paying out now for a one dollar discount. The retailers and coupon clearinghouses are not involved at all in this system. We do have a way to track product sales and can provide CPG's that info and more. The rebate payouts are automated by a computer program and will only payout up to $10.00 per week to each shopper.
  • Posted on Accepted
    Quick reaction: I suspect most consumers will find the process too much trouble and not worth it for $10. Of course this is easily tested.

    CPG marketers will need some "proof" that this kind of promotion will generate a positive ROMI for them. Many don't want to offer price-oriented promotion incentives, and this won't be of interest. Others will want to know what percentage of consumers are truly new users and what percentage are regular customers just looking for a discount.

    Overall I'm a skeptic, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.
  • Posted by Gary Bloomer on Member
    Expecting buyers to find the items on your site in their supermarket (will said items be clearly marked?), then asking people to sort their items at the check out, take a photo of each item, e-mail each image and then get a discount (deposited where?) is asking too much. The view isn't worth the climb. For this to work the discount needs to be applied at the point of purchase, NOT later.
  • Posted on Author
    Shoppers can choose up to 10 products out of 30 popular products that are easily found at any major grocery store. The ads will be limited to 30 popular products so shoppers are not overwhelmed with too many choices while shopping. At check-out shoppers take only ONE picture of their items while placed on the check-out counter. The rebate funds are deposited within minutes after purchase at Dwolla.com, a promising new online payment network. All off this is better explained on the "how it works" and "Advertisers" links on the website.
  • Posted by Jay Hamilton-Roth on Member
    I think you're asking people to do too much for their rebate. Why not simply print out (customized) coupons and redeem at local store?
  • Posted by saul.dobney on Accepted
    What pilots have you done so far? I'd be worried about the risk of fraud (put product on an empty checkout line take photo, don't purchase product), the cost and time for verfication and the risk of disputes eg where photos aren't clear or confusing.

    If I were an advertiser I don't know I'd go for it (though obviously some might). The process is too involved and I don't see the benefit over established methods of couponing. It might be interesting if, on entering the store, the consumer is sent a set of promotions that they can only redeem when they leave but this could be via a barcodes that display on the phone and are scanned from the screen - why bother with a photo and the human inspectors? Apart from the possibility of novelty, I can't see a sufficiently strong benefit either to consumers or to advertisers - is there any more to this?
  • Posted on Author
    As stated in the terms and conditions, the products must be placed on a manned check-out counter and the rebate eligible products must be clearly viewable in photos. The cost and time to verify photos by human inspectors is not an issue with mturk inspectors that are paid twice the going rate to inspect these photos. They will be fighting each other at the chance to inspect these photos.

    I think this plan sounds more complicated on paper then it really is. After you do it once, you realize how easy it is to snap one photo and upload it. People are already uploading their cat pic's and what they had for dinner to facebook and twitter willie nilly so surely they will have no problem uploading one pic in exchange for $10 bucks a week! Young people today are not going to cut out or print out coupons in the future. They love messing with their phone's and this plan gives them a great excuse to put it to use.
  • Posted by saul.dobney on Member
    Sorry for being a bit slow, but does this mean you have done a pilot or not?

    People uploading to Twitter et al aren't representative of shoppers in general and what's simple for someone in that genre may flop for a more general techno-phobe type shopper. So you may need to consider focusing on products and retailers for the more au-fait-with-technology audience that you have in mind.
  • Posted on Author
    A pilot has not been done yet. After debugging the software a pilot program is the next step. Just as coupon redemption now is a very small percentage of overall sales, I only need a small percentage of shoppers to engage in the plan to make it successful.
  • Posted on Moderator
    Despite your optimism, I hope you are getting the message from the folks here that the program is likely to be seen as too complicated/too much effort by the consumer, and not clearly profitable for the marketer.

    Results from a pilot test can certainly prove us wrong, but you asked for our thoughts and first impressions, and you've gotten reactions from four folks who have been around the block a few times, all with the same general assessment.

    What did you observe or learn that suggested this might be a good idea? Maybe we are missing something. Can you do a simple concept test with 200 target-audience consumers? Might be worth the effort/cost before you even go to a pilot test. No system development costs. Fast results. Easy to find a representative sample.
  • Posted by Gary Bloomer on Accepted
    People post images of their pets or of their lunch on social media platforms because they want to.

    No one needs to take pictures of these things so that they can load them to Facebook or Instagram.

    The action of posting this kind of content for public view is anchored in the individual's desire for social recognition and validation, and less so for financial gain.

    Because psychologically speaking there's a lot of difference between a want and a need applying the same logic to your program as one might try to apply to a picture of one's cat does not carry forward into the redemption of discounts in supermarkets.

    Taking action to debug software before you've run a test to see if there's a demand for the service puts the cart before the horse. Until you have solid data showing people's rates of interaction, use, redemption, and abandonment of the program, the reality is that you've got little to debug.

    It's difficult to calculate things that you cannot (or haven't) measured.

    You are strongly advised to run a series of pilot programs over 90 days that test multivariate elements of the program against a series of control groups, then regroup. Then run a second set of tests with your original findings against a second control group.
  • Posted on Author
    Ok, I get what you all are saying and I thank you for your input. I have learned a few things and made some changes to the wording on the website to make things more clear. I want to make it clear that the photos emailed to us are NOT posted for public view on social media sites or anywhere on the internet. I was just using the example of lots of people already being adept at uploading photos with their smartphones. Every female in my family are posting pic's all day long and have told me they would do this every time they went shopping. Now on to testing and the coupon forums.

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