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Scroll Or Click? How Much Content Per Web Page?

Posted by k.pohlman on 250 Points
Is it best to have dedicated pages for chunks of information or all content on one page to minimize the number of user clicks? I wasn't sure where that lies in the new 'no click' environment.
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  • Posted on Member
    Hi K,

    Dince you said you need to REDESIGN your existing site, I suggest you start with a laundry list of WHY.

    Why does your website need a redesign? Is it not working for you, is it not working for your prospects and customers.

    This might be a better productive starting point than thinking a strategy.

    I secondly recommend (whoa - grammar anyone?) that you assemble a focus group of your most profitable customers and have them over for lunch, and videotape them using your website. Ask them to be honest and complain about everything that is wrong. This may require beer.

    Next, watch the video tape and let that tell you where you need to focus your redesign efforts. Come up with some major pain points, so when those are fixed, you feel like you've really accomplished something.

    When you are ready to look at web designers / developers. start local. By working local you'll have expert help nearby when you need it. Long distance development can often fall apart because of a lack of control that comes with proximity.

    Ask your business friends and associates if they've heard anything good about local web design firms.

    Then invite them in and have them watch the video tape. Discuss your pain points and get a feel for the relationship that is developing between you and the firm. The relationship will be key, because a major redesign (soup to nuts) requires alot of time and money, and you won't want to do it again after it gets messed up over incompatible relationships.

    Start in small sections with the website overhaul. Create a completely different website address to test, so you can play and break the new site without rushing to get the site fixed, etc. If the first couple of small tasks get done correctly, you can proceed to bigger ta$k$.

    Let us know how it goes...
  • Posted on Member
    I realized I forgot to mention some ballpark cost figures.

    Depending upon your location and the talent you choose to build your website:


    Marketplace Research / Competition Analysis / Position and Strategy Development - $5K - $7K

    User Interviews / User Model Development (Customer Profile) - $2K

    System Architecture / Use Case Development (How the site will work) - $3K

    Design Elements / Product and Service Photography - $5K - $10K depends on qty

    Process / Programming / Testing - $5K - $10K depends on complexity

    User Testing - $5K [don't worry, you can skip this. everyone does :-) ]

    Revisions - $3K

    Site Launch - $1K

    Search Engine Positioning / Link Exchange for Page Rank - $3K

    Offline Promotion - $5K+ depends on your hunger for fast results

    Usage Analysis (how are visitors finding your site, what are they doing once they get there) - $4K

    Future Revisions / Maintenance - $5K


    All told, $46K plus.

    Of course you can get it done cheaper or more expensive, just as you can win the lottery, or get hit by a car.

    Weight this investment against your current sales and profit from the current site, and the potential for sales once it is rebuilt. You should be in the 10-12% range of investment versus payback on a yearly basis. Websites change so often that you can barely look ahead 1 year.

  • Posted on Member
    Pardo,

    Excellent points. Since K indicated it was an existing site tat needed a redesign, I assumed there was existing traffic, and just suggested the search engine optimization. If it were a new site, I would add the suggestion of paid advertising (ppc).

    I anticipated metrics under Usage analysis, but I may not have described it enough. Thanks for your expansion of the topic.

    Email marketing is a task that I assumed would be performed by internal sales staff, using a web application that was developed by the web developing team. Once it's setup, they would provide the content. Therefore I didn't list that as a separate budget, yet it is a cost factor since the internal sales staff needs to get paid.

    Thanks for adding to the topic.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    every business should think about branding, remember what branding is ... "its the promise of the delivery". If you buy into a good brand you expect a good delivery of that branded product or service (this delivery includes, pre-sales, sales, and post sales interactions with the company).

    Everyone inside the organisation should "buy in" to the brands values (what it stands for), whether that be high (or low) cost, great (or average) customer service etc etc.

    All brands should be based on something, and this something is the brand promise.

    EXAMPLE: I buy a particular make of Mobile phone, because the brand promise is that it has the features and functionality I need, its highly reliable and great support is provided (should I need it). If all these brand values are in place, I will buy this brand again. If any of these brand values fail (i.e. the features in the literature are not delivered, it arrives faulty or the support from the organisation never sort out my problems) i will probably be turned off that brand.

    Brands should also provide an emotional exchange, so in my mobile phone example above, if a new phone its the market which better suits my lifestyle or aspirations, I may be persuaded to try that brand next time.

    FINAL POINT: Brands take years to build, do not expect overnight success.

    Good luck
  • Posted by williamarruda on Member
    The challenge with branding products is that all your brand equity ends up in the products. You then have to ride the rollercoaster of product life cycles, etc. Lotus, the software company, discovered this. First they were 1-2-3, the most innovative software to have been developed. After Microsoft came out with Excel, Lotus was left with a tarnished brand. But they came back when the launched Lotus Notes, only to sink to another low after Microsoft Outlook was released. To avoid these riding the product waves, build brand equity in your corporate brand and people who become evangelists will be interested in ALL your products.
  • Posted by williamarruda on Accepted
    In all of the companies for which I have worked in the past, we always used the same rule: use the 'tm' or 'R' every time the logo appears is in its graphical form. In text, use the 'R' or 'tm' in just the first instance.
  • Posted by williamarruda on Member
    Hello Barbara...

    I am a personal branding consultant working in a similar area so I understand your offering and objectives.

    To be successful in communicating your message, you might want to consider reducing or prioritizing your target market. Each of the groups you mentioned is going to need a relevant and compelling message...and the ways to reach each of them differs.

    Focus on the group that is going to be easiest to reach and will provide you with the greatest revenue so that you have the resources you need to pursue other groups.

    Best!
    William
    www.reachcc.com
  • Posted on Accepted
    Your small bandwidth, especially with overseas customers means that you need local distribution (and probably support) partners in the overseas markets.

    The problem with distribution partners is that most of the good ones, who can move real volume, are not very interested in taking on products from an unknown small company.

    The key to getting started and getting the attention of the key distribution partners is to sign up a number of reference accounts via the direct sales channel, ideally opinion leaders in the industry sector that you are targeting.

    Regards
    Pat Divilly
    www.marketware.biz
  • Posted by williamarruda on Accepted
    No Way! Color is an important part of your brand imagery. What do you think about when you think '' big blue'' or what color do you associate with Coke?

    Your logo is an important brand asset and it is through clarity and consistency of use that it will become recognizable. You should create and distribute very strict guidelines for the use your logo, and all other brand materials by your partners.
  • Posted by jcmedinave on Member
    The online communities will bring to the costumer more and more power and interactions with the companies. In the future they will participate in the product developments, channel designs, sell promotions and so on. The online tools must provide the medium beetween companies and customers to develop products, to buy products, to increase services knowledge, to get involve in company decisions, etc...

    Juan Carlos Medina Velandia
    web: https://usuarios.lycos.es/jcmedinave/
    email: conideas_plus@yahoo.com
  • Posted by jcmedinave on Member
    Marketing and Sales are complementary activities. The sales point their efforts in single customers and the marketing in group of customers (markets). Sales is encharge of the present sales and Marketing work to sustain the future sales. Marketing also support the present sales with products, advertising, information, promotion, communications, etc...

    Juan Carlos Medina Velandia
    web: https://usuarios.lycos.es/jcmedinave/
    email: conideas_plus@yahoo.com
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Like everyone says ... "NO".

    This is your company, your brand, your promise, and the logo and coolours should not be changed by others.

    It may be worth listening to them to see why they want to change and see if there is something you can do to your logo that doesn''t affect your brand greatly.

    Many organisations, allow their logo to be use in different styles, so if they have a full colour logo as their primary logo, they may also have a black and white version, or one with and one without strapline.
    Its worth experiementing to see if you can get a couple of different logo feels but still keep the integrity of the original.

    Then produce a "brand guidelines" manual so everyone knows what they can and cannot do with your logo and text etc.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    I don''t know of any particular studies in this area, but they are fundamentally different beasts, and therefore difficult to campare.

    In my opinion the most critical thing you should be concentrating on is retention, then growthin existing customers, then new acquisition.

    RETENTION STRATEGY:
    If you know your customer to be profitable then you should be trying to retain them, using the usual reassurance pieces, regular communications and hospitality (if appropriate).

    WALLET GROWTH STRATEGY:
    In addition, simple analysis on your existing customers, should be able to uncover a) how much they have to spend on financial services and b) how much of this "wallet" they spend with you. From this simple analysis you should be able to determine if you are able to get more from them, more of their "wallet".

    I would suggest that customers that spend >80% with you is saturation point and you can''t get much more out of them, whereas customers who spend <15% need to be grown. Customers inbetween also need to be grown for more of their wallet spend, but you may need to do more analysis on why they are only spending a reletively small amount with you.

    ACQUISITION STRATEGY:
    If from the above, you still will not generate the required sales, then you will need to look at acquisition obviously.

    Good luck
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    I work in B2B and have developed a number of Marcom Effectiveness models (MS Excel) for DM, Advertising, Exhibitions and Brochures.

    If you email me (andrew.scaife@ntl.com) I will happily send them to you.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    Remember what branding is and never forget it ... "its the promise of the delivery".
    If you buy into a good brand you expect a good delivery of that branded product or service (this delivery includes, pre-sales, sales, and post sales interactions with the company).

    Everyone inside the organisation should "buy in" to the brands values (what it stands for), whether that be high (or low) cost, great (or average) customer service etc etc.

    All brands should be based on something, and this something is the brand promise.

    EXAMPLE: I buy a particular make of Mobile phone, because the brand promise is that it has the features and functionality I need, its highly reliable and great support is provided (should I need it). If all these brand values are in place, I will buy this brand again. If any of these brand values fail (i.e. the features in the literature are not delivered, it arrives faulty or the support from the organisation never sort out my problems) i will probably be turned off that brand.

    Brands should also provide an emotional exchange, so in my mobile phone example above, if a new phone its the market which better suits my lifestyle or aspirations, I may be persuaded to try that brand next time.

    FINAL POINT: Brands take years to build, do not expect overnight success.

    Good luck
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    15 top branding tips (can''t remeber where I got these from, but thanks, they are useful):

     Brands are personifications of organisations, products, services and experiences and they are the source of relationships.
     Top management support is crucial to a brand’s success.
     Profound customer knowledge is essential to building winning brands.
     The brand and its products and services must exceed customer expectations.
     Brand building begins with awareness.
     Relevant differentiation drives customer brand insistence.
     A brand should strive to evoke emotions and create sensory experiences.
     A brand should exhibit admirable human qualities.
     A brand must stand for something.
     Constant product and service innovation build strong brands.
     A brand should strive to create a sense of community.
     The corporate culture must reinforce the brand essence, promise and personality.
     Internal brand building is essential to external brand building.
     Front line employees are key to a brand’s success.
     Co-creating a brand with its customers will help the brand continue to thrive.
  • Posted by Pepper Blue on Accepted
    Good article from MarketingProfs right here on ROI and e-Newsletters:

    https://www.marketingprofs.com/preview_dp.asp?file=/Tutorials/newsroirealst...

    I hope it helps.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Ask your suppliers first, they are usually duty bound to sponsor you to some extent!
  • Posted on Accepted
    Depending on the circumstance - you don''t give much data-here is a suggestion:
    Name the exact promotion, then give you boss a full list of your products/contributions to the company up to now.
    Then ask for the promotion and if he is somewhat hesitant or tries to talk around it, suggest him to take this new position on a risk free trial. Offer him to try it for a period of, say 3 month, on same salary and if he thinks you don''t perform satisfactory; you will go back to you old position. The idea is to offer him to make a risk free decision. Give it a try.

    Lars Hørl

  • Posted on Member
    I would suggest direct mail marketing to these CEOs of your target groups.
    And definitely use your existing members networks or names. You could perhaps persuade your existing to bundle promotional items/letters in their mailing to buisness relations
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    What can I say? Everyone has touched most of the bases.

    Any major award is worthy of display, but I wouldn''t "bank" on it or put to much promotion behind it other than perhaps a plaque on your office wall and mentioning it in presentations, letters, etc.

    An award won''t win you success and if you obcess over it by shoving it down client''s throats, it may have the opposite effect your wish to achieve.

    Congrats on your award and I wish you more in the future!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    I would say you cannot expect anything.

    Of course you may DESIRE a return on an advertising investment. But to "expect" or "demand" a return is fictitious.

    Study your advertising carefully, pinpointing your demographics etc...then roll the dice!1 If you get too much into expectations, you set yourself up for failure and not to mention shoot the stress levels through the roof! It also creates a "robotic" atmosphere within your company.

    There are never guarantees with advertising.

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    Branding is more complex than just looking at a checklist of items and ensure you have them. Most brands exhibit similar external factors (brand name, marketing, price, presentation (how the solution/good are shown)). For service and B2B you MUST add people to this list.

    But internally (where the real branding takes place), things are much different. Consumer products are interested in category management, low cost operations, differentiation, where B2B are more interested in the client relationship, NPD, internal training etc.

    That said, here is a very generic checklist that you will need to add to and develop for your individual company:

    EXTERNAL:

    Can you/do you charge a brand premium
    Do you have excellent customer satisfaction/loyalty or have excellent customer relationships.
    Are you perceived to be a quality supplier
    Are you perceived to have good market leadership / or are you popular
    Can you brands personality be easily recognised
    Do you have good brand awareness in the market
    Do you have one of the best market shares
    Do your products shout “buy me” from the shelves!

    INTERNAL:
    Do you have brand values
    Do you have internal communications
    Do you regularly reinforce the brand values to your staff
    Do you have great supplier relationships
    Do you truly understand your customers/prospects and why they buy from you.
    Do you innovate in product development
    Are you front line employees fully behind your brand values

    BRAND:
    Are the top management supporting of the brand and its values
    Does your brand generate an emotion response (A brand should strive to evoke emotions and create sensory experiences)
    Does your brand exhibit admirable human qualities.
    Does your brand actually stand for something.

    I hope that this helps a little!

  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Its always important to start a "Glory File", this is a file of corrospondance with customers and colleagues that thanks you for the work you have done and the effort that you put into your daily tasks.

    These an then we wheeled out as evidence of your contribution.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    There really isn''t any difference between branding on the internet or else where for that matter.

    80% of branding is about what you do inside the organisation, only a small percentage is about communicating this to your market.

    Branding is all about delivering a promise, when anyoen buys your branded prodiuct or solution they pretty much know the quality of the good and the support they will get when they interact with you.
    Your brand values are known and supported by all inside your business, what you do now is communicate that to the marketplace.

    Branding on the net is no different to using trade magazines, flyers or 48 sheet poster sites! The important questions are still the same.

    Does your target market visit the internet, what sites will they use (useful to know where to put your ads), what click through do you expect, what is the cost per click!
    Then evaluate this against traditional marketing communications that you use.

    I hope that this helps!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    I think its brilliant that you analyse and use your own data, as from my experience this is the best source of data for your modelling.

    When you send out (for example a DM piece), use (or your agencies) use a unique blend of creative artwork, copywriting, mailing quality, timings etc, and your response rate to these precise conditions are YOURS, your benchmark means more than anyone elses and I don''t think you really should be looking externally for data.

    If you are worried that your marketing peices are not effective, and its that you want to test, then this can be ''simply'' tested internally, using ROI as your benchmark.

    I hope that this helps
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    Having been faced with this problem MANY a time, the one sure way to get a quality person with special skills is to offer them a % share.

    For a salesman, I wouldn''t offer more than 1-3%. Now if he is some sort of phenomenon with multiple "high level contacts" and has a lot of relative experience, then and ONLY then should you condier offering a higher %.

    I would caution you about using the term "partner". No matter if he turns out to be a ding-dong or a hero, you don''t want to have him arguing with your requests and going around telling people it is "HIS COMPANY" since he owns stock!

    Instead, I would use a high profile TITLE such as "Executive Sales Director" or "VP of Sales". Doing so will establish a perceived chain of command.

    When I bring "partners" on board in this manner I am VERY careful to relay the parameters and the extent of their executive privilege. Most of the time, I make the employ/percent offer contingent on performance within a 30-90 window, depending on how much time we have to start developing a sales revenue, which usually depends on current company strategy and available capital.

    Although this approach makes choosing a salesman much more complicated, at a start-up phase, it is an excellent incentive and a "cheap" way to aquire a quality person.

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    In this particular case, I would reccommend taking on the second standpoint you mentioned: "...evaluating the competitor''s strengths and weaknesses relevant to me and looking at my strategic opportunities and threats."

    In adition to their "S & W", you need to evaluate yours as well! I''m sure you know this, but like John and I mentioned above, knowing what you are up against, THEN determinig what your strengths are in order to develop strategy is crucial.

    Trying put yourself in their shoes will only create speculative results. You need to know the reaL SWOT of your competitors in order to have an effective "OTWS".

    I like your thinking. You are certanly on the right track for strategic development!

    I hope that helps clarify a bit more!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    You have to call them: (408) 349-1572.

    You will find the answer to your question a lot faster than waiting for someone in the forum who just so happens to utilize the Yahoo tool you are interested in using.

    Although, I believe your money would be better spent on the other types of business campaigns available at Yahoo which are much more effective than a banner, I wish you the best!

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    Internet radio sites are not near as effectie as "live" radio.

    ONe alternative you may consider, and I don''t know this to be a fact, but satellite radio may be an affordable alternative.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Andrew is right. Branding is essentially the same in any media.

    The keys are orgaizing your services and targeting a demographic!

    I wish I could say more but Andrew pretty much covered it! I just wanted to concurr.

    Good Luck!
  • Posted on Accepted
    Does a community strategy have a future?
    Yes, it does.
    Why - because the web is a conversation (see Cluetrain.com, thesis #1). A conversation is about making an enquiry and exchanging information... sales is about making an enquiry to find out more, and make the next sale. The two are natural online companions.

    Community has the added benefit of being user-led. The web works best when it''s informing users, rather than delivering a sales pitch.

    *How* companies use community - how they find the right community strategy for their marketplace and customers... now that''s the real challenge.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    I was pleased to see a number of people mention PR, its of critical importance and unfortunately underestimated by most of them.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Absolutely agree with Jett.

    You have to remember the two different kinds of sales guys (the Hunters and the Farmers).

    You are definatly after a hunter, someone who can bring a kill back into the business, these guys do not stay loyal to any one organisation, there are there to get the most out of the business and move on.
    That said, in my experience Hunters are more than happy to be paid in a share of the business, they are risk takers, and as long as you can prove a future for the business, you shouldn''t have much of a problem.
  • Posted on Accepted
    I''d think you''''ll find good benchmark data from the Royal Mail here:
    https://www.dm-online.co.uk/whyusedm.asp
    (they say it''s 5 times more expensive to acquire than to retain customers)

    If you have a budget, then this may help:
    < https://www.researchandmarkets.com/reportinfo.asp?cat_id=10&report_id=1757 >
  • Posted by pbaez on Author
    Thank you all for your insights!

    Like all successful online forums, I will recipricate this assistance when the opportunity arises.

    Thanks again!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    For confirmation I agree with both of the above.

    The inportant factors is to:

    1. Ensure that the approval process doesn''t last for ever!
    2. You definately get their signature on the form or an email from them.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    We all know acquisition is more expensive that, all you need to do is prove ROI!

    Sounds easy I know, but a pain to actually do :-)
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Author
    John once again, you have hit the nail on the head. ONly this time it is for MY company andnot others on the forum (I have made several positive comments in the forum on your answers in my answers)!

    I have to give credit to the others as well...Thank You!!

    The decision to either walk or fund this whole project is teeter-toddering in my brain!

    First I am going to approach Toys R US and Marvel (Toy Biz). IF they bite and place an order large enoughto get an L/C, I''m in business.

    If those options fails....I don''t know if it is worth sacrificing a large % of my company and perhaps even my motgage to obtain VC!!!

    Thank you all for the input!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    I wish marketing was that easy ....

    Business x Marketing Activity = More Profit

    But it isn''t, you have to work at the tactics and ensure that you have the right message to the right market using the right media, and if all goes well you should see sales leads which shoudl equate to sales revenues.

    And the bonus is if the sales process and products are profitable, then you should make a profit ... which is all anyone in business asks marketing to do :-)
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Doesn''t it give you a warm feeling when we all come together like this and help each other out :-)
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    There may not be a ROI!

    What may be of help is areas that the mascot could be used that traditional media may have problems getting into and capitalising on.

    For example, if your client deals with the healthcare sector, then a Mascot that can be seen around hospitals etc cheering up the kids can a) help your client get closer to the healthcare customer and b) give them valuable PR

    A mascot can either be used as additional media channel (as above) or as a frontline man (person, thing, it) for the brand (as you can see above, this sometimes works and sometimes doesn''t).

    I would be interested to hear more about your clients business to help more on this.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    From the work that you have done with thsi one client, and from the profile of companies that were interested in listening to you (I am sure you had some of those), you may be able to work out a "client profile", from this profile, it would make matching other potential customers easier.

  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    You definately need to worry more about geting to market rather than trying to rate.

    Unless, of course, you already have a successful series of brands that warrant the time involved in a score sheet!

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    At one time I was a serious "ebayer". My sales were outstanding and people were coming out of the woodwork asking me how I do it.

    So I decided to write a "how-to" book. It was simply titled ''How to Sell on eBay".

    I compiled all my "super secret" strategies and put them together in an easy to read eBook format. I put a $10 price tag on the book and placed it on my website. At first I sold several and received alot of consignment work from those who simply did not want to learn but recognized my expertise.

    About 3 months later, about 300 similar books came out INCLUDING one from ebay! My book started collecting cyber dust so I just gave it away a free download on my site.

    If your book''s focus is directly related to your business and it''s advice/services/products to be self-published and distributed to clients, I think it would be well worth your time.

    If you wish to write a "How I Made It This Far" autobiography for mass distribution by a major publisher, it is a matter of your own resources and volition. Obviously, make sure your responsibilities are covered while you author your life story.

    Even if the book is written in order to advise others based on your success, much like the first eample I gave, I believe it can really help you analyze what you have done up to this point and stimulate your thinking, bringing you "outside the box" . Looking at your company and personal experiences from a different point of view, in my opinion, is NEVER a waste of time or an instigator of negative results.

    Can it distract you from your current duties? Sure! But not only the distribution of the book itself, but WRITING it can help boost business in ways you never would have imagined!

    Ebooks don''t require a publishers approval before you can distribute. plus you can post them online, burn them onto a CD or whatever you like! If you are intent on going hardback, I would reccommend doing an ebook version first in order to get feedback etc. so you can fine tune BEFORE submitting to a national publisher!

    Here is a link to a good ebook publisher: CLICK HERE

    Good Luck! Go For it!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    Try going to GOTOAST.COM

    Thaey may be able to answer all your questions!
  • Posted on Member
    Well the most critical point is to remeber its the position in the mind of the target audience or public. This means you have to go out and find out from your public - surveying,interviewing etc. This being said leads me to your next question:
    Can a different naming of the same business space provide a space to launch a similar , although not identical product?
    it simply doesn''t fly -
    It would be like Coca -Cola trying to use their position to sell soap.
    Of course you can try and create a new position in a new namespace - but its costly;)


    Some critical point in positioning:
    1. Research the existing market position, Who is out there and what are their existing positions
    2. What position do you have already?
    3. What position can I realistically aim for? Is my product close to existing products? What separate it out? Etc.
    4. Can I match this position?
    5. Avoid going head on a market leader.

    I believe the main thing to remember is, that what your are trying to achieve is always seen from the audience perspective. You are in essence trying to create instant impression. So the less guessing you go into, the better.

    Good luck, hope this is helpful
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    Having been faced with this problem MANY a time, the one sure way to get a quality person with special skills is to offer them a % share.

    For a maketeer, I wouldn''''t offer more than 1-3%. Now if he is some sort of phenomenon with multiple "high level contacts" and has a lot of relative experience, then and ONLY then should you condier offering a higher %.

    I would caution you about using the term "partner". No matter if he turns out to be a ding-dong or a hero, you don''''t want to have him arguing with your requests and going around telling people it is "HIS COMPANY" since he owns stock!

    Instead, I would use a high profile TITLE such as "Executive Marketing Director" or "VP of Marketing". Doing so will establish a perceived chain of command.

    When I bring "partners" on board in this manner I am VERY careful to relay the parameters and the extent of their executive privilege. Most of the time, I make the employ/percent offer contingent on performance within a 30-90 window, depending on how much time we have to start developing a sales revenue, which usually depends on current company strategy and available capital.

    Although this approach makes choosing a marketer much more complicated, at a start-up phase, it is an excellent incentive and a "cheap" way to aquire a quality person.

    Good Luck!
  • Posted on Accepted
    Here are som good sourcs of invigorating marketing wizards.:)
    Jay Abraham www.abraham.com
    Gary Halbert www.thegaryhalbertnewsletter.com
    John Carlton https://www.marketingrebelrant.com/
    These are people with hands on experience with no BS
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Strategic Management would have to be the best choice. Services marketing is something you will learn as you go out in the "real world" dpending on what type of field you get into.

    However, Strategic Management skills can be used EVERYWHERE and will most likely be the better of the 2 choices as far as enriching your career!

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    I would have to say a combination of all.

    Thanks!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    Here''s my list. They have proven to be the most useful resources for my marketing success/strategies.

    1. The Wall Street Journal

    2. The Busines and Market section of your local newspaper.

    3. Inc. Magazine

    4. www.WDFM.com ( Larry Chase''s newsleter website).

    5. Popoular Science (or any other field related magazine with new info on your demographic)

    6. My gut.

    Most people overlook the these tools, spending hundreds of dollars on books, courses, etc. You will find current, REAL TIME marketing information and ideas in the papers, up to date informative articles and products in the mags, a plethora of articles similar to this site from Larry Chases'' network newsletter (free), and my most trustworthy resource...my gut! It never fails me!

    I hope that helps!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    Try www.GoToast.com

    They may be able to help.

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Jim Sterne on Accepted
    Every art form is a combination of talent, skills and luck. Talent is as important in marketing as it is in painting..

    But talent without skills will whither. So it''s important to learn and hone basic skills like crafting an attention-getting press release, putting together a response-generating direct mail project and measuring web site success. There are good marketing processes and best practices and knowing and following these are part of a good skill set.

    And then, of course it''s really important to be lucky. Having a good product, a growing marketplace, and a clear differentiator for positioning is lucky. Having a reasonable budget is also *very* lucky!
  • Posted on Accepted
    No discipline can work without some basic restrictions and since it involves people also hence it is required to tackle them carefully. In my view there is nothing "best practices" as otherwise everybody would have followed it and applied it and got the success but since it is not like that hence it is a complicate process where the involvement at 360 degree is needed and that certainly is an art.
    Atlast it is a process where relationship matters a lot and that too with the customers.
  • Posted on Accepted
    A highly competitive area where the strategic moves are as important and predicted as eating food when you are hungry. A strategically important issue may grab the attention but it is not necessary that it gets the immidiate response, the same is the case with the market where it needs various aspects to be considered and the customer remains the focal point whereas the other important issues surrounds it.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    BOOKS/MAGAZINES:
    Elements of Marketing (AR Morden)
    CIM Study Series of Books
    Marketing Business (CIM publication)
    Marketing Week

    WEBSITES:
    Chartered Institute of Marketing (www.cim.co.uk)
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    I would suggest yes to both.

    Strategic Management is a MUST for any marketer, more so for PR specialists, as I have always found that PR is the tactical after thought and needs pushing to a more strategic level.

    Services Marketing ... again, most of our PR people work along side service marketing projects, i think without ever understanding this side of the business fully, and we therefore do not capitalise on wonderful integration that we could achieve.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    Marketing IS Business, and therefore shares much in common with all business functions.

    Marketing is the management process that ensures that customer needs and satisfied, AND you make a profit on the interaction.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    Well, for #5, I would have to say "conversion data on INACTION!!!"

    The others on your list mention vistors, sessions, referrals ,and sales....but what about all those visitors and unique sessions that "dead-end"?

    One of the most important things I look at for my web metrics is how many unique visitors dropped off and on what page.

    For example, one of my clients was having problems with web sales. He asked me to help figure out what he was doing wrong. He had tons of visitors but few bites. We looked into his web stats and found that over 80% of visitors left the site at the pricing page. He adjusted his pricing and sales went up!

    It''s great to know how many people have been to your site, and how many made an "action". But chances are the number of inactive visitors is much greater. You need to know why.

    Another aspect that ties into inaction is who these visitors are and where they came from (referral). This could help tell you what demographic and/or referral service (search engine, banner and link exchanges, paper ads, etc.) needs to be modified or rather, catered to in order to turn them from browsers to buyers.

    Hope that helps!

    Good Luck!

  • Posted on Accepted
    For grabing the attention "- award winner" is one of the great and quick method and then getting the position in the mind of the customer. As far as the impact is concerned it is most of the time positive as it forces the customer to think logically a bou t you, your company, your products, you as a brand,you as a social entity, and that all in very different but positive perspective. Moreover, a PR is much worthy for a cutom e r than the marketing efforts made by the company for p r o m otio n. Customer''s mind slipes the names very easily and to re t a i n that the award is one of the great help for the compan y and industry to o.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    I don''t know of any research, but like all of us have said....there is virtually no ROI when it comes to mascots. A mascot is an initial marketing tactic/investment in order to attempt to give customers a familiar "face" to relate to the company. IF it turns into a profitable assest, it is usually an "accident" like Tony the Tiger (as John mentioned).

    Ultimately, I have to say, a mascot is not going to sell for you untill people become familiar with it. Until then, it holds no more value than a cool logo.

    I would pay a designer to make the mascot, but it in the newsletters etc., and concentrate on letting your firm do the marketing. If the mascot catches on...GREAT! If not, so what?

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Well, if the current customer can only afford to buy one product, I would say he is automatically "retained" simply by his/her initial purchase.

    As far as creating a new customer base, obvously, as stated, this product is very expensive and very exclusive...luxurious perhaps....therefore tap into the dempgraphic of people who can afford such an item.

    Place ads in magaizines geared toward the rich. Offer samples of the product to be used in movies (James Bond). If it is a watch, get it into exclusive stores like Saks Fifth Avenue. If it is a "Rolce", get it into luxury car dealships or create your own!

    Obviously, I believe the answer to this question goes back to simple, straight forward marketing. You have it easy because you are only catering to people who can afford such items...about 3% of the population!

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted

    Here are a few sites that offer some awards:

    https://www.webaward.org/

    https://www.maaw.org/awards.html

    https://www.majon.com/select.html


    And here are a couple of sites that list almost 100 different awards they have won that you can use as a reference to find out how to enter.

    https://www.browncommunications.com/hype/awards.pdf

    https://www.hamiltonbond.com/awardlist.html

    I hope those help and Good Luck!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Can we just step back a little here! ... are we talking about a Niche Segment or Expensive, luxury items ?

    NICHE Marketing is just the marketing of a product/service to a market segment that contains previously untapped protential (by defination that its previously been untapped means that its small!).

    LUXURY GOODS marketing is about marketing to people with different buying power (Rolls Royce v. Skoda!).

    The RETENTION technique for both is the same and equally apply to both markets (good communications, reassurance etc), you also need to ensure for both that your branding is spot on, in particular for service issues and general touchpoints.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    I always have a different view on Internet metrics. I always imagine that the click empire is no different from a bricks store.

    Whats important is:

    1. The number of people that know where your store is
    2. How many people can be tempted to shop at your store.
    3. The ease of shopping in your store
    4. The retention of these shoppers
    5. Make the whole experience profitable for you

    I guess in a click world this would equate to:

    "Reach" as a metric is incredibly important today ... how many referers can you get to link to your site or product.

    "Aquire" ensuring that there is a good offer to bring people to the site and try it (how many visitors unique)

    "Abandonment" ensuring that visitors do not abandon your site shortly after entering or after placing a few items in their basket because the site is slow, difficult to navigate or they cannot get what was promised (abandonment rate)

    "Retention", amke sure they come back (how many repeat visits)

    "Profitability", simply ensure you make a profit and the profitability of goods and transactions (customers) can be monitored.

    I hope that this helps
  • Posted by Jim Sterne on Member
    Hi Pardo -

    This is where I get to prove that I''m a consultant. The answer is: It Depends.

    Clients come to me asking, "How do we make our website better?" My response is always, "Better at what?"

    Clients come to me asking, "What should we measure on our website?" My response is, "What are you trying to accomplish?"

    The problem we face with web analytics is that there is simply too much data. Do not try to sift through reports to glean something of value - instead, you have to ask specific questions.

    You started this thread asking about conversion - so that assumes your acquisition numbers are off the table - very good. But there''s still a huge amount still on the table:

    The offer that got them to the site
    The landing page
    Look and feel of the site
    Navigation
    Content style
    Completeness of information you offer
    Offering too much information
    Product description
    Pricing
    Etc., etc., etc.

    So you''re going to have to interview some visitors in order to find out where it hurts, and where you should be spending your time.

    Oh - and good luck ;-)



  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Are providers in USA facing challenges like these?
    I would say definitely “yes”, there are strains on all areas of business to reduce costs, and with the manpower costs in asia and the pacific rim reducing these types of services will be going with them.

    They will be able to get the IT equipment for the same price or cheaper than the West simply because companies like Cisco will just see this an another sales channel and sell it.

    What exactly then is the "success factors" for a email service company ?
    You need someone who can provide the following services as a minimum.

    1. Full service deployment (includes getting lists, filtering, project management etc)
    2. Day-to-day tactical advice
    3. Results and post-click analysis
    4. 24x7 customer support
    5. Reliable technology

    Value Add Requirements:
    1. Creative services
    2. ISP relationship management
    3. Bounce and unsubscription management
    4. Privacy and Consumer law experts

    And how should they therefore manage the situation?
    1. Clever Marketing!
    2. Know your market and customers!

    I hope that this helps!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    Not exactly sure you need a calendar, I think you just need to get the process fixed in mind then the rest with naturally evolve.
    Not sure if you are talking about a small number of renters or large amounts!

    PROCESS:

    1. Plan - understand your objectives and goals (you seem to have this understood), but understand from your objectives and goals how you would expect to measure your success.

    2. Create - If you aleady have a website, utiise the creatives from this, retain consistancy (this is important), you email is your primary way of retaining your brand image ... use it. Look at building a different ''landing page'' for your emailed clients rather than forcing them to go back to your homepage (this will make them feel a little more special).

    You will also need to create the offer (thats if you are having one, people usually pay for retention (10% off etc)

    3. Target - target your clients carefully, using eisiting data, use your best prospects first (ones that personally thanked you for example). never over mail to customers, once a quarter for email marketing is enough.

    4. Test - Might be worth testing the concept, you will know what works best (one at a time, by demographic or just random etc).

    Use the feedback from the test results to change anything of the campaign.

    5. Execute - Consider your delivery options for optimal performance. The time that you deliver your email can have a large impact on how well the email performs overall. Are you sending to mostly consumer addresses, such as the free accounts or more to business email addresses? Knowing some basic breakdowns of your list can help you to determine a good time to send.

    For instance, if you are sending mostly to business email addresses, a late Sunday delivery would put your email right into the large grouping of spam emails that deliver over the weekends. Come Monday morning, your recipient might accidentally (or intentionally) delete your email along with the spam, in interest of time.
    On the reverse, personal email addresses are more likely to be checked on the weekends than during the work day.

    6. Measure
    Keeping tabs on your stats will give you immediate benefits in gathering your metrics, as well as learning information about the timing of how people respond as your stats update.
    You really need to know:

    1. Who you sent the email to
    2. Was it delivered
    3. Was it opened
    4. Did they click through to your page/offer
    5. Did they accept the offer

    7. Learn - Back at step one you decided on your objective and goals and your measures, how did you do ? What could you improve ?
    After every campaign I like to improve at least one aspect :-)
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Completely agree with all of the above, I have worked for several companies that have produced books, and it certaingly helped them:

    1. Make a little direct cash
    2. Spread their brand
    3. Excellent promotional item
    4. Become a market leader or business leader
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    IF you drop some ideas down here about why you want to know and maybe we can help you.

    I have a huge amouth of experience about what happens in the UK market, and I know what will work for me, whats the most effective for different strategies and what percentage fo my budget I should be spending on what!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    btw, this is a little bit naughty but I am sure you have thought of it ... when you know what award you want to go for, email your clients and suppliers and suggest that they vote for you.

    Point out the good work that you have done, and what the future has in store for you.

    Is that too unethical ?
  • Posted on Member
    Good day,

    Writing a book is strategic method to position yourself as a specialist. Book publication is a "Value Forward" method of marketing. It allows you to put your business value out in front; instead of pulling it behind you.

    I wrote a book called How To Sell Technology and self published it. It is now used in over 100 countries world-wide as a business course and was offered a publishing contract by a the largest B2B publisher in the world once they saw our success.

    The best method for writing a B2B book is a as follows:

    *Select 25 subject categories as chapters.
    *Write 5 pages for each chapter
    *Insert some third party references or business case history
    *Insert case studies
  • Posted on Accepted
    The most recent studies indicate that the number one reason why CEO''s fund marketing is to increase sales.

    Your marketing budget should be tied specifically to your company''s product or service life cycle.

    Thus, your marketing budget should be tied directly to its ability to generate direct sales or qualified sales leads for the sales team.

    Using standard statistical norms to calculate a marketing budget never works well.

    Instead, calculate the increase in sales the firm is seeking and then examine the sale cycle steps and costs to create one sale. (Example: 10 leads, 3 proposals =1 sale...) Then back out the marketing costs needed to create one sale and then just prorate those costs out across your entire marketing budget based on your total revenue increase your are seeking.

  • Posted on Member
    The key metrics for true transaction sale success on your web site are:

    CCR - Customer Conversion Ratio Per Day (Unique Visitors Divided By Individual Sales Transactions that Day)
    Number of unique Visitors
    Average time on the Web Site By Unique Visitors
    % of Returning Visitors
    Shopping Cart Abandonment Rate
    Return Rate
    Average Sale Value One Time
    Average Clinet Value One Year
    Average Client Value 3 Year (lifetime)
  • Posted on Member
    When marketing to C level executives it is critical to use "Visual brochures" words that let them see the value in you meetings:

    1)Create CEO dictionary of your audience of the words they use in their everyday business conversation

    2)Research what are the top 5-8 business pains they are dealing. Generally C level executives are concerned about increasing income or decreasing expenses or both

    3)Name your marketing event using the title of the person you wish to attend and naming a business problem you wish your event to discuss

    Example:

    "How CEO''s of Non Profit''s Can Implement Disabilities Programs To Reduce Operating Costs in 2004!"

  • Posted by Jim Sterne on Accepted
    Brand is in the eye of the beholder.
    Brand is the overall impression of your company and goods and services held by the general market you''re trying to sell to.

    You have to come up with what you''d like that image to be, and then figure out how to deliver. Brand values are the image you''d like to project and brand personality is what you actually do. Or, as Kristin Zhivago puts it (www.zhivago.com), your brand is the promises you keep.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    I would interpret values to be the "ethical/moral/standards backbone" of a brand and the personality as the way the brand exudes or represents it''s values.

    For example, a BMW has the "value" of being a reliable luxury car with optimum performance. It excudes these values in its "personality" by its appearance and actual performance.

    Ideally, the value and personality compliment each other. But this isn''t always the case. Sometimes a brand may have a good value but a terrible personality and vice versa.

    I hope that helps!

    Good Luck!

  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    I thought about this for awhile....even did some research.

    The best idea I have come up with so far is to put ads in The WallStreet Journal and Usa Today. Those are probably the two of the most widely read publications in the C level business world.

    It may be costly, but perhaps cheaper than brochures, mass mailings, and cold calling.

    I hope that helps! That''s what I would do!

    Good Luck!!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    You might try BidNet.com

    They have tons of resources for contacting government agencies.

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    I worked in the medical field for over a decade. Hourly visits from Marketing reps were a daily routine. Trust me, I know this arena well. Especially, from the viewpoint of the doctors.

    Although some doctors are "rep friendly", most find them a nuisance...a distraction from their patients and just another thing to get them further behind than they already are. Unfortunate, but true.

    From what I have found, the BEST way to get the doctors full attention is FOOD!!! Bringing lunches for the staff and talking to the docs in the lunchroom and/or his/her office during lunch hours is the most effective way to get them to listen. Are lunches expensive? Yes. But not as expensive as hiring a crew of marketeers!

    So how many visits does it take? The number is relative, but persistance is the key.

    For example, one day, a physical therapist showed up around lunch time with food, brochures, business cards, and various other "freebies" (pens, coasters, etc). We all thought, "Who is this guy".

    He continued to bring lunch every 2 weeks for about 1 1/2 months before the doctors starrted sending him patients. The next thing you know, he became our primary referral.

    I have seen this exact same scenario with Home Health, Pharmaceutical, and Med Supply companies/facilities. Food and persistance paid off for ALL of them.

    I hope this helps. By the way, don''t be too pushy or "cheesy" with the doctors. They see right through it and may get annoyed. Also, BE PREPARED!! If a doctor hears "I don''t know" or some sort of scrpted response, he may get turned off!

    Good Luck!!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    I think you are on the right track by offering a cash prize. Sure teens like clothes and music, but what do they love more?......MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!!!!!

    That is the best "universal" attractant. Not all kids are hip on clothes or care about music. They may have other interests and hobbies that don''t pertain to the gift certificates offered.

    Another alternative to cash would be a gift certificate to their local mall. Basically the same as cash to teens, who frequent malls more than any other!

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    I suggest he offer the agencies and car rental places a percentage of profit. This is always a motivating factor.

    I have used this strategy before with an airport parking company. A client opend a travel website and needed an inexpensive way to promote his business. I arranged a deal with the parking company to put my clients flyer and a pen with his logo in the front seat of every car parked for a percentage of commission from online reservations.

    We tracked the sales using a promotional code. In your case, inventory acounting would indicate sales.

    I hope that helps!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Author
    Phil, thank you for your advice. It helps a lot.

    Do you advise finding out the review person''s name and forwarding the proposal directly to them in leiu of "attn: Licensing Division" as a means to getting on better ground? Or does it simply help expedite the package to the person before it gets to him/her thru natural channels?
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Author
    Thnak you as well DB!!!!
  • Posted on Accepted
    First of all, I would say that giving away cash as prize would not retain teens but it will surely attract them. Second, I believe that you could do something more innovative with teens. They are always trying to be different, and you could give tickets for a concert, or even create a club of those teens that keep visiting the site and answering the surveys. In addition, you could have them redeem their points for tickets to see xtreme sports and talk with the participants. I hope this will be helpful for you.
    Oscar gongora
  • Posted on Author
    Thanks to everyone who posted to this thread. I''ve been so very busy that I haven''t had time to come back and rate or comment about your posts.

    The thing about branding for my small company that is currently bothering me is, it is taking so much time to put in the extra work and personality touches on everything that we do, in order to create a great experience for our customer, and the return is not quickly apparent. I know this will take time to see the results of a brand, but sometimes I feel tempted to skip the extra features that make up my brand and just get the work done, and send the invoice.

    In other words I don''t know if the customer realizes or appreciates the extra effort that we put into everything that we do, and I think asking them if it does will just get a "sure why not" type of response. I know a solid response would be that the customer buys from us again, or recommends someone else to buy from us, but we don''t have the volume of that occuring yet to recognize it. If the marketplace was abuzz with talk of our company that said "hey, this company is all about the best service, yada yada yada" then we would know it''s working, but for now it''s blind faith that we do this because we know we are supposed to.

    I always assumed that the word "brand" was used because of a cow getting "branded" with the logo of the ranch where it was raised, and therefore the logo was everything, or at least a way to recognize the brand. Am I insane? I missed a lot of sleep this past week...

    Or think about being branded a ''winner". Or a "loser". It''s a way to summarize a description about something.


    Tell me the brand promise of several large companies.
    FedEx. overnight delivery guaranteed?

    Then tell me the brand promise of some small companies
    Starbucks. ( I can''t think of it )

    So in terms of creating a brand for a small company, should I determine what I want the company to be known for in the mind of the marketplace, then do everything to reinforce that belief, but without shoving it down their throats? I can''t stand up and shout "we''re the best". I have to do it through actions, and let my customers make that statement themselves, through their own convictions.
  • Posted on Accepted
    Hi B.
    No you are NOT wasting your time trying to diversify, you need to get more customers to reduce your risk of your one big client jumping ship on you.

    As long as you are still focusing on web technologies, you can apply your strengths to different customers.

    [I don''t recommend trying to add more marketing or advertising activities under your umbrella - a small company of 6 people would die trying to master a different area of expertise]

    What have you tried so far that has failed miserably? Why have your prospect said NO?
    Analyze those answers and work on improving the results next time around.

    You''re starting over in terms of building the business, but you''re lucky enough to have a rich client paying the rent until you get rolling.

    And if you have a CEO, you can''t afford to be giving away free hosting or templates, etc. That shit is for beggars, and if you''ve got a F500 client already, you''re above bedroom trash. Keep trying to crack the nut.
  • Posted on Accepted
    Hi AprilGuy,

    I think for email campaigns you don''t really need an editorial calendar, you just need to crank out newsletters on time.

    An editorial calendar is usually required when the time from creation to distribution is a long period - say months, but the relevancy of email marketing is that it doesn''t (shouldn''t) take a long time to create and distribute the newsletter.

    You should already have some topics in mind for the first couple of emails, and then I would use customer survey''s to find out what they want to know about. That way, your newsletter is relevant, it has a better chance of being read, and advertisers who have sync''d their ad with your message should see increased CTRs.

    Keep close tabs on your advertisers, and then you should be able to cherry pick the vendors whose products or services fit it best with the article, and pitch them for an ad. If they can''t make a commitment within a week before you publish the newsletter, then god save us all. :-)

  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    You are right, its a brilliant opportunity and I have placed lots of Advertorials in the UK trade press over the years.

    Two points strike me:

    1. I assume your not including full financial and solutions information
    2. Try to use a non customer or partner advertorial in the first instance to get their confidence up (use a senior manager talking about the business in general and how to pick the best company (yours of course) and position it as a consultation piece to prospects.

    ADVERTORIALS:
    The following may be form a useful arguement for you:

    1. Every day, you customers are approached by competitors. Either through direct sales, DM, event invites, exhibitions, PR or advertising/advertorials.

    2. Without maintaining a mass presence - particularly in the media - your customers will question whether they have made the right choice in your company. This could lead to concerns such as "maybe they are not as financially secure as they told me, I rarely see their name in the press".

    3. You need to keep their share of mind

    4. You need to appear to be on a level playing field with your competitors (in terms of awareness)

    5. Maintaining a media presence will drive better and easier acquisition.

  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    Jett and Johns advice is spot on, and it should be cost effective as he is only paying for customers that he makes money on anyway (assuming he has a good margin on his product!).

    Cost effective medium for converying the message is email (cheapest and the best if used properly), followed by letter (but you need to immediately ensure that DM looks like spam otherwise it will not be read!), can samples be sent out to these agents and car hire people ?

    Might be worth contacting the Mexican Tourist Information (is there is such a beast) and see if they will help you promote the product, as its in their best interest to see repeat visitors too.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    RATIONALISE - bring all branding/literature into one point. You are usually always best to have one umbrella brand that is instantly recognisable then to develop the individual brand personalities for the different divisions.
    In reality suggesting this will fall on deaf ears, so you will probably need to split the branding between the different divisions, but they all need to get together to determine the overall Brand Guidelines that they all stick to.

    I will repeat this because its important, the Brand Managers are the custodian of the brand, all branding materials MUST go through them or better still be created by them to maintain consistency, relevance (the messages are better read in the market, better understood and actioned upon) and to reduce costs.

    Good luck
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    This is why these guys are the experts in here! Very sound advice ... listen to them :-)
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    I’ll admit that its been a few years since was a teen, but I have consulted companies on teen behaviour and marcom channels, you do not mention the market you are aiming for, but in my experience you can make a sound guess that the teen culture is centred around mobiles and texting! Consider a prize or association around that youth culture!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    And just to add my view to the pot!
    BRAND VALUE (Brand Promise) is the internal brand values, these can be things like:

    We put the customer first
    We work as one team
    Quality before quantity
    etc ... etc ...

    BRAND PERSONALITY (Customer Perception) is how part of how the brand is percieved by your customers and prospects, and is generally based on things like:

    Quality of products
    Support on all customer touchpoints
    Feel good with purchase
    Trust
    etc ... etc ...


    The idea is that the VALUES (promise) and PERSONALITY (perception) come together in all the customer interactions, and you either satisfy your brand values in the mind of your customer, and make them happy (and keep them), or you simply fail to deliver (and lose them).

    I hope that this helps :-)
  • Posted on Member
    Bilaal

    I think the original research was carried out in the 1980s by TARP in the USA. The figure always quoted are that it costs 5 times more to sell to a new customer than to an existing one. Another one not so often quoted is that it costs 20 times more to sell to a lost customer than to an active one. Food for thought. But take the figures with a big pinch of salt.

    Your aim should be to know enough about your prospects/customers to be able to decide where to spend your marketing Pounds most effectively. If you can earn a higher return on moving a customer from a low profit band to a higher one than from acquiring a new customer, then you should do that. You may be suprised by what you find when you get to understand your prospects/customers better.

    If you are looking for information within the Financial Services sector, try the reports published by the Council on Financial Competition. I have always found them very pragmatic and insightful. If you work for a Financial Services company, you will probably find they already have corporate membership which entitles them to any number of reports at no extra cost.

    Graham Hill
    Independent CRM Consultant
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Could you be so kind as to rephrase the question?

    Thank You!!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    I agree with Andrew.

    Your customers are being bombarded by the competition from all angles on a daily basis. Since they are "senior" management, they should know this...or at least you would expect them to..LOL!

    If your competetion is producing journal articles and maintaining media presence while you sit back "secretly" guarding your intel and client base, your clientel may shrink due to the perception that your company may not be up to par with other alternate firms.

    I just read what I typed so far and it is basically the same as Andrew! Not my original intention but I suppose that means you have 2 people supporting you with the same argument!

    I second that notion!!! LOL!!!

    Good luck with the all knowledgeable "senior" management!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Although I agree with the above mentioned suggestions by John and SocEnt34, it all depends on how big your conference is going to be.

    Being non-profit, I assume you do not have the time, personell, or resources to go "door-to-door" to every potential CEO''s office with incentives and a smile. Likewise, listing topics and that will attract other CEO''s is brilliant but of course, you have to get that information to them.

    Hence, my suggestion of a mass ad in business print such as WSJ and USA Today. John is right, if you direct contact with a CEO is nearly impossible with persistance but unless there is a short list of tartgeted CXO''s, you may get the best results from the media. Who knows, since you are non-profit, maybe CNN or MSNBC with do a story or a series of announcements for you.

    Good answers and Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Author
    Thanks again Phil!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    Absolutely agree.
    I always operate a Straight-Forward Marketing approach, and suggest that we shouldn''t make the task more difficult that it should be.

    Anyone should be able to knock a marketing plan up in 10 hours, it needn''t be hard work. Your right that the basic figures should be used, but i have known people look back as very historic sales figures and plotted graphs based on it, it obviously means nothing on its own except they wasted lots of time producing it :-)

    I don''t think I have kept any knowledge I picked up a college anyway, its all "on the job" training and real and very practical lessons when up against tight deadlines.a

    Its also interesting to see Kotler backtracking on many of his original ideas in order to try to simplify marketing.

    Anyway, lets be honest, probably most of what we do is based on gut feeling, and we are usually right :-)
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    I guess its too easy to suggest that you have sat him down with a pricing model to show what can happen with with different prices, suggesting different volumes of sales and popping ROI out of the bottom ?

    I tried it once when our pricing team suggested premium pricing on a piece of kit and the model was powerful in suggesting a lower cost, equated to higher volumes, equated to better overall profitability.

    You oviously just need to work on the link between price and volume :-)
  • Posted by sammykarij on Member
    Branding defination will stand the same. However how you do it on the web is pretty different. You need to be very clear on how you deliver and communicate the value you offer on the internet. People on the net are not out to shop for the best looking site. They are out to look for information. Be it specific infomation or just browsing. You must come with a way to present this information in the most captivating and memorable way. At the end of the day clients experience on you ebsite will be translated into their mental image about the brand you are trying to build.
  • Posted on Member
    It is not easy always to get the information about the target company but still firstly it si right that you must go through your target. Moreover, a customer will feel astonished when you tell him that in your current system which is good enough can get better if they use your product. Any person in this world would not like to hear this that they need help but wh e n y o u offer the thing which is visible enough can moti va t e t h e m to think about you.
  • Posted on Accepted
    Good day,

    Correct pricing is based on competition, product and company positioning, overhead costs, inventory turn and cost of goods. Instead of working from a place of what the product price should be, sit down with your client and focus on what the financial and marketing goals are. Let their answers drive the price point.

    1)Ask what revenue goals he has for sales per day by location

    2)Calculate the units sold per day at different prices needed to hit the number he wants

    3)Test market different price points based on his perception of what the price should be

    4)Develop a matrix of his pricing compared to his competition

    Use this data to discuss from a business point based on factual data not your client''s emotional observations.

  • Posted on Accepted
    Good day,

    When talking with your management team, discuss how writing for trade publications allows your to put your "Business Value Out Front" instead of dragging it behind you. Most firms marketing pulls behind them their business value discussing why their better than their competition. Usually, this is worthless marketing approach because prospects just don''t believe you.

    But, by writing for trade publications, you will position yourself as specialists and show value first to business prospects. This value forward method of communicating will shorten your sales cycle, and eliminate competition because prospects will just seek you out because of your expertise.
  • Posted by Jim Sterne on Member
    The insurance industry solved that problemn years ago. The agent makes a sale and collects a commission on every monthly payment ever made. The more clients, the larger the commission checks. If they allow clients to drift away, their income diminishes.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Not sure when the club is! But if its the Uk you could try to promote it with the Institute of Directors (low key, high income business people).

    Also look into the hospitality market, and generate awareness around there, not purely for hospitality reasons (but thats a good source of revenue), but the links from there may also lead to the type of members you are looking for.

    I wish you luck
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    Ok, I guess I would only use email and direct mail together in two instances:

    LACK OF POSTAL ADDRESSES:
    If I didn’t have enough postal addresses to get the penetration rates and responses I needed, then I would look to email to supplement my mailing numbers.

    GGET AROUND A GATEKEEPER:
    Lots of the solution I market (B2B), means that I have to get past a gatekeeper, and if I had to post some special promotional item out, then I would consider sending an email first to my contact, explaining that something was in the post (as a teaser), and to ensure that they see it.

    Other than that, I cannot imagine a campaign where I would use both as email marketing is much cheaper and you are able to get better metrics on delivery, how many are opened, and the click-through rate.

    Good luck
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    OK, then I would suggest the National Association of Corporate Directors (https://www.nacdonline.org/default.asp). They have regional chapters, and should make a good starting point for you.
  • Posted on Accepted
    I am a firm beliver of - know before you go -
    Of course one can go om with research and analysis, in an effort to avoid actully confonting to jump into the sea and start swimming, but you won''t really know for sure if the water is icecold or not before you are into it.
    But as I said: KNOW BEOFRE YOU GO.
    Do all the preparements and reseach so you know the full picture,AND THEN jump and swim before you sink.
    You can do your homework and spend 100$ on an add to gain 1000s, Skip it and loose millions.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Author
    Thanks guys. So far everyone has hit home with either tactics I have already tried or ways of thinking and approaching.

    Unfortunately, he still will not budge on pricing. I discovered he is not a marketeer, but rather an engineer with a mareting director title working on commission. I fear his own "greed" for increased income may be at play.

    Anyway, I will think of a way to hit this from a different angle. Thanks for the input!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Author
    Thanks everybody!

    I enjoyed the different array of responses. Personally, I''m somewhere between Andrew and Allen.

    Although Lars an Amir make valid points, I do not believe that simply being a "seasoned veteren" instantly makes you some kind of Yoda guru. There are a tons of guys and gals out there who have been doing this for decades and STILL don''t get it!!!!

    Thanks again!!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Although you are correct that establishing a rapport with thestaff can get your foot in the door, in recent days, especially when it comes to Radiology, doctors are becoming more and more selective.

    This is most rue in the specialty practices such as Orthopedics and Oncology. New machines offer different results and varying qualities (i.e. Open MRI''s vs. Closed Tubes). Most physicians are going to request sample films...and make decisions from there.

    Another obtacle you may hit is the fact many physicians and surgeons have already pitched in and purchased their own machines and hired the own Radiologists. It''s a waste of time to attempt to convince them to refer away from their own machines except for as an alternative for insurance reasons.

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    Its obviously an important issue when looking at how the brand is potentially perceived. Its been many years since purchasers simply used the rational side of their brain in purchasing (“What benefits will I get from this product/service”), and we began to see more emotional or psychological (“How this product/service makes me feel”) purchasing, and we are now entering a era where political purchases are making an impact.

    Political purchasers are interested in the true Political nature of the brand and organisation behind the product or service … they will ask questions about environmental issues, corporate social responsibility, GM, labour issues!

    I seem to remember big brands having similar, high profile problems over recent (Nike and Levi Strauss spring to mind!). But these companies typically resolve the issue by pumping money back into the region that are moving into, they do this by supporting things like local poverty, housing, support of small business and women and children issues.

    I guess your client needs to analyse whether this move was TRULY responsible for their downturn, and whether their buyers are acting politically, or is there a general downturn in their sector, is the workmanship at fault!

    If it is a political move then ideally these companies and your manufacturing client should have anticipated the problems, but that said, no-one ever does! I think the answer is that your client must now embark on a Corporate Responsibility campaign (and promote it), and this means understanding the need of the local community where the new plant is, and seeing what can be done (I know they will argue that they are paying wages … but they must do much more). This campaign could be as simple of giving to local charities or other community based projects.

    As always .. good luck
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    You don''t say anything about your company, clients etc, but you MUST do a really thorough job when doing something like changing the name of your company.

    That said you really do not need to change the name of the old press releases.

    Have you ordered plenty of new promotional material with the new name, logo and contact information? Have you got new stationary ? New business cards ? Got your templates changed for presentations etc ?

    Other than that, it sounds like you have done everything you need to do.
  • Posted by Jim Sterne on Member
    I''m confused. What makes you think that moving the manufacturing resulted in lower sales? Did the company launch an ad campaign to tell its customers about the change? Was it the subject of large numbers of editorials? I''m wondering if there is an assumption that the one caused the other and I''m curious about the basis for that assumption...
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Mmm, another idea, do you have an exclusive stores close by that would attract a similar type of customer that you are looking for (i.e. a Rolex jeweller, Rolls Royce garage etc).

    You may be able to discuss a joint marketing campaign.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    Speaking from a UK perspective, I have often found that getting press releases published is extremely difficult unless you have a relationship with the publication or editor (it seems unless there is a good angle to the story or it’s a particularly slow news period!).

    Emailing them is fine, and always include a photo (can help the press release stand out!).

    Keep a list of press contacts and speak with them on a regular basis. If you have something big coming up, I would always contact one or two to see if they are interested first (its surprising how many people still fail to do this and it often means the difference to getting it printed).

    Its always been the case in the UUK that to get a press release in a trade publication, you usually need a relationship with their sales team (and have previously bought space!).

    Remember that as well as the press, you should always consider sending copies of the release to:

    Employees
    Your house magazine
    Your reception
    Salesforce
    Top management
    Engineers
    Agents
    Eternal agencies (ad agencies etc)
    Distributors
    Opinion formers (business groups, MPs etc)
    Trade associations
    Customers (selected and relevant releases only)
    Shareholders (selected and relevant releases only)
    .. and anyone else you can think of.
  • Posted on Accepted
    Let me know which state you are in and I can recommend a few good events.
  • Posted on Member
    My first time here. I''m happy to find a question that hits my "sweet spot".

    I''ve been in medical device marketing to the Orthopedics market on and off for over 20 years. One of the major areas we are working in right now is helping Orthopods get a good referral stream from Family Practice docs. It is also their biggest source of new patient revenue.

    Let''s assume this (correct me if I''m wrong):

    1) Your prospects do not have in-house Radiology capabilities. Thus, they are referring to someone.

    2) You have a solid value prop that can be spun in a way that positions you uniquely. (better machines, closer location, higher quality films, quicker turnaround, etc.)

    In my opinion the "# of visits" metric is worthless on it''s own. For a hot pharma product, the rep may not even need to visit at all. For our professional orthopedic reps, they are so entrenched in the practice that they go in the back door attend birthday parties for staff children.

    What you need to so is get close to your top referrers and find our *why* they send patients to you instead of to someone else. Also ask them what you could do for them to make the referral process easier.

    For us, when we asked those questions of FP''s, the top referrers based their referral on percieved patient benefit. They thought the patient would get the best possible treatment by referring to the Orthopod they selected.

    How can you help your target market understand that their patients will benefit greatly by coming to your facility.

    Another key element is to see what kind of questions patients have about radiology and radiology facilities and give the referring Doc the tools to answer those questions. If you create an informative booklet "Patients Guide to Orthopedic Radiology" or the like, you will be solving a problem for the Orthopod by helping him answer the patient''s questions in a complete way without having to personally answer every question.

    Remember, the referral to you is an implied endorsement by the Doc. The better the patient feels about the experience at your clinic, the more referrals you will get.

  • Posted on Accepted
    In my experience:

    Marketing is thought of as an art 99% of the time.

    Good marketing is a science like any other business function. For some reason we have gotten away with treating it as an Art (read no real measurement of results, and no clear, documented processes). Can you imagine trying to run a manufacturing plant without processes and measurements? Why should marketing be any different. Calling it "creative" is a crutch that people use to avoid being accoutable for measurable results.

    A piece of the Advertisng puzzle is art. I agree with Cortez''s example above regarding Absolute Vodka. The rest of advertising should be considered all science. Measure, analyze, revise, measure again.
  • Posted on Member
    Webinars are a low-cost enough that the best thing might be to just test it. You''ve got some great numbers above to justify a test.

    I would only suggest that you tie a deliverable into the Webinar. Pitch a white paper download or something else to help further qualify prospects and give you a chance to follow-up later.
  • Posted on Accepted
    We ran a contest like this and were quite disappointed with the results. Post mortem told us this:

    * We didn''t have reports lined up in advance and by the time MIS got to it, the contest was half over.

    * We didn''t keep them informed enough about who was in the lead

    * The contest was too general and not synched with the key products we wanted to promote

    * The reps already had nice cars and would have preferred cash (ours was a Viper)

    Best way to avoid failure is to make sure you actually talke to many of the members of the sales team to see if they think it''s motivational.

    HTH
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    I did some work on this a few years back for a UK telco.

    We decided that customer segmentation MUST be looked at on different levels as the UK mobile market is complex. You are absolutely right about offering customer/segment specific positioning and offers.

    I do not have the answers, I dealt with the UK market 2 years ago, but here are some areas to start looking at.

    CUSTOMER SEGMENTATION:
    By value, behaviour and demographics
    By Pre-Paid/Post-Paid
    Needs and Price Sensitivity

    ECONOMICS FOR SEGMENTATION:
    Customer Value
    Retention and Acquisition Costs
    Payback per customer
    “What if” scenarios

    PROGRAM ELEMENTS:
    Different service levels per segment
    Increase retention
    Increase Average Revenue Per User (ARPU)
    Loyalty Scheme (never really took off in the UK!)
    Identify high value customers, that may churn
    Avoid retention activity aimed at low value customers

    IMPORTANT: Customer Lifetime Value is critical to forming the basis for segmentation, remember over the life of the customer you will incurr costs (acquisition, handset subsidy, network costs, customer service costs, upgrade costs etc)

    Finally … think bundles :-)

    Good Luck
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Wow, can you really get software to hep manage campaigns, internal communications and planning! Why does my company just choose me to do it then!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    GENERATE AWARENESS:
    Advertising (ATL/BTL)
    PR
    Sponsorship

    Take your pick really, agree that if you are already successful in another segment then you leverage that.

    Consider White Papers positioning yoursef as knowledgeable in the new area.
    PR is great, but in the form of advertorials becomes more poswerful.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    Nothing like self training, set a target (say 35 hours a week .. like most CPD programmes) and suggest that your teams gives themselves at least that many hours worth of training, the CIM in the UK runs an approach like that, and they use the following criteria which may be useful for you:

    https://www.cim.co.uk/mediastore/Chartered_Marketer/Record_Card_2003.pdf
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    There are some useful ideas in this link: https://www.marketingprofs.com/ea/qst_question.asp?qstID=123
  • Posted on Accepted
    It is always good to know what your value it in the market. Re-vamp your resume and polish your potfolio and go see what your worth! You will feel better asking for a raise if you know what you''re worth somewhere else.

    This is good advice for anyone. I have vowed never to let more than 4 years go by without testing my value in the market.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    My typical opening rates are 65%, click through rate 10%. But there really isn''t a standard.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Author
    To answer a few uncertainties declared in some of the responses regarding how people found out about the Vietnem manufacturing:

    1. A majority of the customers are wholesalers. Naturally, they were not only curious about how the prices were reduced, but why it will take longer to get their orders. So my client told them!

    2. The boxes say "MADE IN VIETNAM"

    3. Is there ANYTHING you own that you are either unaware of or doesn''t have some kind of marking as to where it was made?

    I''m really surprised I had to elaborate on that. ( Not to all of you of course).

    Let me know if anyone still doesn''t understand.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Author
    Thanks sbalch! You read my mind!
  • Posted by Pepper Blue on Accepted
    According to DoubleClick''s Q3 2003 Email Trend Report

    Open rates averaged 37.1%, remaining constant with Q2 at 37.3%.

    Click-through rates where 9.2% increasing from 8.2%

    According to Constant Contact, aggregate statistics for the last 3 months from all small businesses using Constant Contact where 48.3& and 4.1%.

    Lots of driving factors play into this, that is topic of another discussion.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    I agree with humble.

    You''ve been there too long to give it up without showing other companies what you have done and what you can do.

    Even after getting another offer, and asking your current boss for a raise based on that offer...if he gave you the money, would you WANT to stay?

    Is money the problem, or the workload? You need to figure that out for yourself!

    Welcome to the world of delegation!
  • Posted on Member
    One thing I''ve found that helps is to stop thinking of it as a market segment but as a target audience. Sounds trivial, but usually people define market segments by type of product or vertical, or some other designation. Focusing on the audience helps you start considering WHO will buy your product, what their needs are, and what value prop you offer to meet those needs.

    I think taking a general market awareness approach to branding is a quick burn of a lot of money. You would be better off narrowing your focus to a highly-targeted niche that hopefully included early adopters and influencers, then totally blowing them away with the value you deliver. I suggest focusing on brand experience rather than the "branding" that is synonymous with "name awareness" ie expensive repetitive advertising.
  • Posted by tjh on Member
    Branding is happening whether we work on it effectively, work on it badly, or not at all.

    Your customers, vendors, staff, and any other stakeholders are continuously amassing an opinion, feeling or impression of you, your company and it''s products and services - conciously or unconciously.

    To me, an untrained marketer, it''s those continuing and fluid mental and emotional concepts they have, and evolve, about the business - which are the essence of branding. It''s all about their minds and emotions.

    All the answers in this thread are important and valuable and it feels presumputuous of me to chime in. However, my only concern after reading this terrific thread was to remember that branding happens anyway.

    It seems to me that it''d be better to work on branding conciously and with a will, rather than letting it happen unattended.

    Even the day-to-day "little things" are essential components. And doing as much as you can (logo art, USP''s, print material, ads, forms, staff behavior, and more), improving it as time and funds permit, is the best path.

    These small things may seem overly tactical in light of a discussion about branding, which sometimes seems majorly strategic - but they are integral to the trust-building that supports your success.
  • Posted by Jim Sterne on Accepted
    I strongly recommend (and do not make any money from) Ralph Wilson. Ralph has been running www.wilsonweb.com for years. While I''ve always focused on the corporate side of things, Ralph set himself up as an advocate of small biz.

    He''s running a seminars series east of the Mississippi
    https://www.wilsonweb.com/seminar/?homepage
    but at $297 for the day, it''d be worth the trip.
    Ralph knows his stuff.

    On the other hand, you could learn a heck of a lot just bumping around his website.
  • Posted on Member
    Firstly this is a worry: "Looking for suggestions on how to automatically communicate and manage up to ten separate and simultaneous marketing campaigns inlcuding retention marketing for subscription services" -

    10 seperate marketing campaigns in a 15 person company could be spreading things too thin - you should be looking to have one marketing campaign to charge ahead on and make it the most profitable. Even if you simply integrate the seperate ones into one strategy - maybe you are doing this?

    Unless of course you are talking about 10 mail lists or maillings - which is a seperate thing all together

    Ok.. lets say you continue with your ten sperate marketing campaigns. The first thing is to have clear direction for each campaign:

    Goal, Objectives, mission etc

    But that is not the question...you want a system to manage one or 100 campagins... Rather than automated software, work out the procedural points in each campaign, set metrics that fire off actions or meetings, when those metrics are reached/not reached have people responsible (or yourself) to carry out the meeting/action. If it is actions to do, simply lay out what needs to be done in step-by-step form and what information you want in a report. If it is a meeting then have a pre-set agenda. Obviously one person has to be responsible for all the marketing to watch over this and a persona responsible for each campaign - to watch the metrics.

    In a small company with 15 employees, automated planning and campaign management software could be overkill and bog everyone down. A good paper based plan, metrics of the campaign and pre-set meeting agendas are likely to be more effective and easy to mold over time as things change. Plus this will fit your budget.

    Again.. I can''t help think that maybe you are doing some emailing here? If so yes an automated solution is good.. but more information would be neded to work out the best solution.
  • Posted on Member
    I don''t know if you have this on your website but if you have a list of people who sign to receive the latest update about the web page you could use it to communicate your audience. Remember that you should have your customers well informed. In addition, you could have a link called "tell a friend" and in this way you will be providing the new name. Of course, I will recommend you to award those people with just free stuff or with info they might be interested in. There are many sites that offer free stuff you can use.

    Or what about having a press release and asking people why they think that the company changed the name. And the ten closest answers win a price. This could be done through a well press release announcing you contest.

    I hope any of those ideas are helpful.
    oscar gongora
  • Posted on Accepted
    Open rates in the 30-40% range is acceptable in B2B email campaigns. Response rates from 1-10% can be expected but there are some things that have to be evident:
    1. Who is sending the email?
    2. Do I know who the email came from?
    3. What is the offer?
    4. Does the offer have a ''wow'' factor?
    5. How do I respond?

    If an unknow sender from an unknown company sends a wishy washy offer that requires too many hoops in the response mechanism...then failure will follow.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    First of all, if getting the names is not a problem, I would suggest contacting specialty surgeons. I have worked with surgeons for over a decade and it is no news that they are not only in the high income bracket, but most are avid golfers as well. Just a suggestion I''m sure you already thought of.

    Regarding approach and intimacy:

    1. I would reccomend hosting a semi-casual Open-House with food, open bar, etc.

    2. Have BRIEF vocal presentation, with blueprints, architectual artwork, benefits of membership etc in a "classy" display on easels throughout the clubhouse.

    3. Have brochures and applications arranged on a table with a person there to answer questions.

    4. As far as approach: Mail invitations much like the ones you would use to announce a wedding...very nice stationary, ink, print, personalized, and perhaps a little picture card of the club/course. Request an RSVP so you can plan your catering.

    By sending the "wedding" style personalized invitations, you will exude class and intimacy. The semi-casual attire will make people feel comfortable to "come as they are" ( Given your target demographic, I doubt you risk anyone showing up in flip-flops and cut-offs)!

    Give a short welcoming speech and a summary of the future plans, inform everyone where the information and applications are located and there will be staff available throughout the event to answer questions. Perhaps the staff can all where the club golf shirts for identification.

    Then, just let everyone mingle, eat and check it out!

    I hope this is along the lines of what you are looking for.

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    4writer I work in B2B, the majority of email addresses are existing customers. We use Rich content (not just text, HTML etc).

    And the offers are usually based around discounts.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Ask 100 different people that question and you will get 100 different answers .... heres mine :-)

    As a "rule of thumb" I always put down 2% (believe me 2% of my budget this year will do v ery little MR!).

    Thats thats all it is a "rule of thumb" to get you started, all Allens comments above are valid:

    1. Define your objectives
    2. Get some quotes
    3. Put the highest figure as your requirement and work from there

    If you can''t get the budget you need, since you have stated your goals in step 1 above, you can tell you senior management what you can/cannot achieve in the year.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    A progam called "Summary" might have what you are looking for.

    Here''s a link to a Free Trial Version .

    Their is also a Pro version available from the manufac. website.

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Sorry, here''s the link :

    Free Trial Version of Summary
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    There is a great site simply titled Businesswarfare.com

    Maybe it can give you some guidance!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    That was a blast from the past!
    Back in 1995, I developed a management game, and ran competitions for business friends of mine, the game seemed to work well.

    I delved back into my files and found it! Written in MS Excel, either Excel or myself has advanced, and I think i will tidy it up a little, shouldn''t take long and I will email it out to anyone who wants it.

    Drop me a line andrew.scaife@ntl.com
  • Posted by Jim Sterne on Member
    As a consultant, I stay as vendor-agnostic as possible. But I would *strongly* suggest that you have a very clear idea about why you want a particular technology.

    You''d be better of going to the vendors with a question about what business problem you are trying to solve, rather than what data you want given a specific technology.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Author
    Jim Deveau,

    The only "relevant detail" I left out was the clients are wholesale buyers.

    I feel it doesn''t matter if the buyer is a retailer or a consumer....the question still stands valid.

    By the way, if I choose to post a question, it is based on my own volition to inquire opinions or instigate a discussion...not always to discover an answer. Therefore, I will post any question I like, even if I already know the answer.

    Anyway, thanks for the obvious answers and condescending insults Mr. Catalyst. The only thing you catalyzed was pissing me off.






  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Here are a few places to start. I tend to agree with sbalch, but click on the links below and search around.

    Javelin

    P2P Consultants

    The Gauge


    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Go here: Price Grabber

    This link will take you to the duplex printer page and they tell you where you can find all the different brands etc. Persaonlly, I use a HP 7250 and a 932C. Some will say HP isn''t the best, but so far I have been satified. Canon produces good results as well.

    Good Luck!!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Contact the Chartered Institute of Marketing (www.cim.co.uk), I am sure they will be able to help you.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    I have used HP, Canon and Epson, and much prefer the Canons (W2200) and Epson (the C4100 is a good machine and serves me well - its quick too)
  • Posted by tjh on Accepted
    "in the process of developing a branding strategy for the corporation."

    In your case you are also having to wrestle with existing brands probably each in varying degrees of success and life cycles.

    One risk of viewing brand strategy development at this stage is viewing it too much as a Top Down process, or conversely, too much of a Bottom Up evaluation.

    Is "what''s best for the corporation" more important than the cash flow or profitability of an existing brand and what''s good for that brand?" Is possibly diluting a brand''s identity worth the corporate identity gain? Is the company being packaged for a larger strategy that may dictate many of these issues and strategies?

    Clearly a brand''s personality develops to suit and serve it''s specific markets and tampering may not be worth the risk - depending on where each is in it''s life cycle, or it''s cash flow or asset value.

    The corporate brand surely should encompass the brands it purveys, or will purvey. The answers to these issues will almost surely become corporate strategy discussions at some point as well. So I wonder if the corporate charter for you to build a brand strategy has guidelines or goals that would steer you.

    "... if you develop brand values, personality, attributes & a brand promise for the "family" brand, should you allow some flexibility for the individual product businesses to express their individual product brand..."

    My vote is "Yes", unless the brands are to become generic players.

    Excellent challenge! Good luck - I''d love to hear how you decide to proceed.
  • Posted on Accepted
    I don''t know of a model that works across the board, but here is what we tell our clients. Rather than focusing on a % of sales or marketing budget we tell them to determine what kind of research they need to do to achieve an acceptable level of risk. Then obtain bids from several respectable providers for that envisioned research project or projects. Once you know what the research will cost, you should evaluate the cost based on what you might risk if you don’t do the research. What is the potential loss if you launch a new project and it fails? What will it cost you in lost customer satisfaction?
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    Good answer from Win, I would just drill a little deeper and suggest that you actually need to test the following as they greatly affect your response rate:

    offer
    price
    premium
    creatives (including strategy, format and copy)
    timing
    list selection

    Test the items one at a time to find out what works and what doesn''t (cause and effect).

    I usually test between 5-10% of my overall list.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
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    Where you look should depend on what you''re trying to accomplish--what type of product(s) or service(s) are you marketing? For certain kinds of things you could try your local chambers of commerce for nearby businesses, or you can try the Secretary of State''s office for a larger universe. And of course any commercial list broker will be able to get you this kind of stuff on local, state or national levels.

    The important thing is to know where your best prospects will be found--do you only want businesses that have gone through a formal registration process--or any one that''s come up with a name and a phone number and called itself a business? You''ll look in different places for different types.
  • Posted on Member
    Hey, great use of jargon, Wes... But I think Andrew is closer to getting to the truth. Psychology plays a huge part in direct mail success. I attended a meeting of the Natl Direct Mktg Assn one year in which an "expert" from Washington DC conducted a test of the attendees: she showed us five DM campaigns from major marketers like American Express, Mastercard, etc. and asked us to guess which campaigns generated the most sales. SALES, not the most opened envelopes, or calls made or faxes returned. Sales generated.

    Not one person in the meeting--all of them lifelong DM professionals--guessed correctly for all. And only one person got even 3 out of the 5 correct. There''s more emotion determining this game than millions of tests of your paper type will ever reveal.
  • Posted on Accepted
    Hi Gillieo,

    For attraction, try turning the online panel into an instant messenger interface, and have the questions be the topic for discussion. Flash each question on the screen for 10 seconds, the teen would select their answer, and then they would have an online chat with other teens to blog about the topic and answer. Not only could you agregate and total the answers using multiple choices, but you''d have more insight by reading the blogs. Then again, some teens are tight lipped.
    Sup?
    Nuttin.

    For retention, simply ask the teens why they aren''t coming back to complete the remainder of the panel? Maybe the surveys are boring, etc.
    If you pursue the IM idea, they might make friends with the other teens online and come back to the v community.

    If that doesn''t work, just ground them in their room until they finish the survey. :-)

    good luck.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    Although the possibilities are endless, here is what I suggest:

    1. Find out what promotions your competitors are using and use a better one. for example, if your competitor uses "Buy 2 Get 1 Free", you may want to offer "Buy 1 Get 1 Free". Of course, you may want place limitations such as "Buy any NEW game at regular price and get a USED game of equal or lesser value FREE".

    You may also consider a "punch card" promotion where after every transaction over $9.99, the customer gets a hole punched in a special card you provide. After 5 ppunches, they get a free game. You would have to have a custom hole punch or rubber stamp made to prevent fraud.

    2. Compare your pricing to their''s and either beat it right away, or offer to beat any price of a competor.

    3. Hold weekly video game competitions with a free game to the winner(s). Perhaps you could tier it into a championship with a Grand Prize of cash, gift certificates, or perhaps a game package or an exclusive accessory.

    4. I wold start out with an ad in local paper. Call for rates and see what you can afford. Local newsletters (the kind you see for free at restaurants and clubs) offer cheaper rates and usually have a large reader demographic. If you need help designing an ad, email me.

    5. Become a memeber of your local chamber of commerce (usually around $300). They will provide you with mailing lists for zipcodes in your area. Design a mailer, and blast an zipcode or two with mailer ads. Again, I can help with design.

    6. If you want to go the web route, go to the major game sites and email them about getting listed as a game supplier for your area and inquire about placing an ad on their site. Ask them for stats on visitors from your area before you commit.

    Well, That''s a start! You can alter and elaborate from these suggestions. If you need help with anything else or wish to discuss in further detail, email me at jett_enterprises@cox.net.

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    On this issue, I don''t go my industry metrics since it is so variable.

    Personally, I would offer 3%-10% for any qualified lead to my site.

    Your idea has intrigued me. I wish to know more! Perhaps I can be your first customer??!!!

    Shoot me an email: jett_enterprises@cox.net

    Thanks!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Well, here's my list:

    1. www.NationalVO.com (expensive)

    2. www.simon.com/mall/shop.aspx (all ranges)

    3. www.marvel.com/flash.htm (average)

    4. www.macromedia.com (average/expensive)

    5. https://www.canadadrugstop.com/ (cheap)

    I have tons of other examples but these are perhaps what I consider worthy of praise.

    Interesting angle! Thanks for the brain candy!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    I have a very similar marketing company. Almost identical.

    I too, market multiple products to people in the same industry. Regarding, knowing who will be interested...you never know until you present it.

    My company promotes in a kind of fusion of your suggestions. We promote/present ALL of our products to our retailers etc. via live, CG animated, and/or mailed proposals along with emails, phone calls, and ultimately lead EVERYONE back to our website where we have everything you would want to know about the products.

    Basically, We reach out to all our contacts, tell them what we have, send them demos, and direct them to our site for more specific information, pricing, picutures, etc.

    It works real well. This way, EVERYONE sees what you have to market and can refer to your site for info. Saves you TONS of time trying to target a demographic...not to mention the potential loss of sales by not letting everyone know what you have. Like you said, you have no idea who is interested in what. So show them everything!

    It works. It''s also good for web stats and site promotion!
  • Posted on Accepted
    Freddie,

    I see we are of one mind. I agree that there is no widely accepted "best practice", I do believe it is possible to create one though. It is just too early in the adoption of marketing as a science to have one established. I believe that in the next 5 years we will see a strong shift toward documented and accepted mareketing best practices; a trend that is being led by small, independent, online marketing entrepreneurs.

    Within this close-knit group of direct marketers testing is the norm and what works for one company can easily be applied to another company with a totally different product with profitable results.

    Doug Hudiburg
    https://www.dailymarketingace.com
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Author
    It is obvious that you wish to appear proffesional on the surface, then throw in a last minute, passive-aggressive "jab". In light of this observation, I decline to engage.

    I''m not running for public office here, therefore I view my candor as no threat to my reputation.

    Thank you for responding. Perhaps we can interact on better terms next time.

    Regards...
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    What Jett says is bang on .. classic market planning exercise, on additional exercise you need to work on once you get customers coming in .... get to know them ... ask them what they want from a store like yours.

    Other suggestions:
    1. Try to build yourself a Unique Selling Proposition (USP) is you can''t find a unique one then just pick a Single Selling Proposition (SSP) and work on that.

    2. Try not to focus too much on price, although you are in a price sensitive market, if your competitors can get their products cheaper than yuor you will lose in the end.

    3. Web presence: Pretty vital and an can be cheap.

    4. Reviews: Build loyalty in what you do by getting gamers to review games, either post these on your web site or in store.

    Good luck.
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    I would definately sugggest segmenting your services and presenting as such rather than a full list of services you offer, which you are right, can be confusing, confusion leads to NO sales!

    example:

    1. marketing strategies
    2. creative services
    3. direct marketing
    4. online

    One segmented, promote as such.

    Consider a "do it yourself" segment, that allows a pick and mix type approach, you just deliver the solution (leaves your client thinking that they have done something for themselves ... gives them some respect!)

    Sell these, either as bundles or individual solutions, you can even brand the segments (SmB marketing strategies, SmB creative services etc)

    In your web site, ensure you have a "I am a ...." or "I am looking for ... " type link so people can more easily navigate to the relevant section to them.

  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    I guess ultimately your model needs to show, potential profitable revenue per customer/solution etc.

    Then a small basic percentage <5% on any sales to that lead, but consider a stepped commission, so if whoever has qualified the lead has good a really good job on selling you they get a better reward.

    Just keep an eye on customer PROFITABILITY and give percentages based on that.

    Good Luck
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Just an interesting additional point I picked up over the weekend.

    63 percent of UK retail consumers ... would change the UK manufactured brand they regularly purchased IF the brand was suddently manufacturer outside of the UK!

    This is an incredible statistic (I am trying to find the source) based on the fact that only 70 percent of the UK adult population actually bother to vote in General Elections!
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Perhaps I should elaborate on my answer....

    My company primarily provides services of promotion and distribution for "impulse buy", retail products. Therefore, when I say "hit everyone with everything", I am referring to fact that most of my contacts/retailers either sell multiple products or are interested in what products I am introducing this time around.

    Of course this doesn't always apply to every retailer so there is some segmentation involved. I find that I do not have to go around saying "Hello everyone, I am a marketing company and here is a list of what I do...PICK ME, PICK ME!!!" other than my initial contact with potential clients...call it my "sales pitch". Once I acquire a client, I develop a strategy and decide which one of my retailers would be interested (Obviously I wouldn't send Toys R Us a demo of a new car accessory)....that's where the segmentation comes in. But 90% of my products fit 90% of my retailers so I have it a bit easier than others.

    I do want to make one thing clear: I do not send a big box full of "goodies" and a list of products. Each product is professional proposed with a demo unit and sent INDIVIDUALLY. This is much more professional, and it help the retailer keep track of things.

    As far as promoting my company, it is a perpetual thing. I am sure to include my logo on everything and let it be know we are the people to contact. I believe in building a reputation by example. In other words, actions speak louder than words. Therefore, I spent the majority of my time marketing my clients, which in turn, through my performance, promotes my company.

    You are all right! I just wanted to clarify! Sbalch, that book sounds interesting, I may pick it up!

    Regards.....
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    Here's a link to an article and tutorial on this site: Article and Tutorial

    I think you will find it helpful in determining your approach. I will post my personal response here in a bit.

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    It is a good question and one that is hardly ever answered by Strategy books as always assume the target market is known!

    Properly analysed, Target Market Selection is one of the most time consuming areas of Strategic Marketing, and comes from the analysis of:

    Your Gap (https://www.marketing-magic.biz/archives/archive-marketing/gap-analysis.htm)
    Market Share (https://www.phoneplusmag.com/articles/111feat4.html)
    Customer Behaviour (https://www.businessvision.co.uk/sales_marketing_03.html)
    Market Segmentation (https://www.harcourtcollege.com/marketing/students/segmentation.htm)
    Market Research (https://www.sba.gov/starting_business/marketing/research.html)
    Market Attractiveness (https://www.yourethebusiness.com/content/tour/con10.asp)
    NOTE: Links above used, because I think they offer simple descriptions.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    Free lnfo sites:

    https://www.zapdata.com/Valuecode.do?group=valueres

    https://www.jewelers.org:

    https://www.jckgroup.com/index.asp?layout=front_page&webzine=jck&publicatio...

    You will have to do some "work" on these sites. Otherwise, you'll have to pay $1000-$2500 for a comprehensive report from several different sites.

    If I can think of others or find more I will post them.
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    I agree with Doug that https://www.marketresearch.com is a good choice.

    You can also get a report here (https://www.bizintelagents.com/reports/bta12563_jewelry.html) and here (https://www.researchbarn.com/consumerproducts.jsp).

    You will have to pay for these, but to be honest as you are doing this on behalf of a client and not yourself, I would strong suggest you paid for the most indepth, accurate and up-to-date analysis you can ... this is your reputation on the line!

    Good luck
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Good comments above, I agree with kklier, see where your pockets of prospects are and plan from there, also LaVerne Dehaan's comments about using your success as a model should work well for you.

    Is it maybe time to think about opening an office in the US ? It must be a massive market for you, and needn't be expensive to do!

    Good Luck



  • Posted by ReadCopy on Member
    Hi Jett, I have worked for companies who have used these guys before, and found that they provide an excellent service:

    https://www.transways-uk.co.uk/
    https://www.simpsons-uk.com

    Whilst they predominately ship to and from the UK, they may have other partners that they can suggest to you.
  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Author
    Thanks Andrew!

    Did you get my email?
  • Posted on Member
    I believe the most often overlooked and most valuable secret in learning anything about any market is...

    Talk to them!

    It is well worth your time to get some face-to-face time with several representative individuals from each of your possible target markets and just ask them questions. Try to learn more about their needs.

    The ideal target market had these three qualities:

    1) Viable (large enough to make it attractive)

    2) Accessible (you can find and get in front of prospects)

    3) Needy (they have an acute and immediate unanswered need for your services)

    After you have several cups of coffee with several representative individuals from your possible markets, the next step is to test.

    Start making pitches to markets that you suspect meet the critera above. Even if you don''t have a product yet, you can pitch it as a hypothetical: "If you had access to a service that ________, would you find that to be something that would be worth an investment on your part?"

    You are way ahead of the pack by even asking the question, so keep after this until you get the focus you want.

    Doug Hudiburg
    https://www.dailymarketingace.com
  • Posted on Accepted
    One of your challenges is lead qualification.

    Look to segment your customer and/or prospect groups in ways that help you learn more about their needs. For instance, if you offer a free report on your website or to your email lists entitled "How to Pump Up your Marketing Results with an Email Newsletter", the people who download the report have qualified themselves as targets for that service.

    You can use an autoresponder system to track and segement groups this way kind of like a poor man''s CRM solution

    Doug Hudiburg
    https://www.dailymarketingace.com
  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    If I understand you correctly you are looking for a marketing role within the sports industry !!! assuming you are in the US, have you looked at any of the following ?

    https://www.onlinesports.com/pages/Jobs.html
    https://www.usatoday.com/marketing/jobs.htm
    https://www.jobsinsports.com
  • Posted on Accepted
    Lena,

    Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. In fact, with the recession of the past couple of years, I seem to be in it again.

    There are some good points made here and in the link posted by AndrewS.

    From my point of view, I'd suggest that you ask yourself some questions:

    Are you still learning something new on a regular basis that challenges and excites you?

    Do you feel a true sense of accomplishment in the majority of every tasks completed?

    Do you really like what you're doing?

    Are you being adequately compensated for your current position (go to salary.com, plug in all the variables, and see).

    Do you have a network of peers and contacts who are familiar with your work?

    If you answer YES to all of the above, then, as others have suggested, develop your case. Get together some supporting documentation for your value to the company. Ask for what you want -- don't demand. If it's within reason, chances are you'll get it.

    Remember though, people are not always reasonable. So be prepared to walk to another opportunity (hopefully one that you are already aware of).

    Good Luck!
  • Posted by clpsf on Accepted
    Check out https://awstats.sourceforge.net/ and https://www.analog.cx/ for free Web site / log analyzers. I''ve never used either, so can''t give personal experience (I bookmarked these a while back on other peoples'' recommendations).

    For more inexpensive choices, check www.adbility.com and select the Site Monitoring category in the left sidebar.

    Once you have identified specific products that interest you, you might then want to ask peoples'' experiences with them.

    btw, Websidestory.com has been around for a good while and its Hitbox has a very good reputation.

    Good luck!

    Carmen




  • Posted by clpsf on Member
    Check out https://awstats.sourceforge.net/ and https://www.analog.cx/ for free Web site / log analyzers. I''ve never used either, so can''t give personal experience (I bookmarked these a while back on other peoples'' recommendations).

    For more inexpensive choices, check www.adbility.com and select the Site Monitoring category in the left sidebar.

    Once you have identified specific products that interest you, you might then want to ask peoples'' experiences with them.

    btw, Websidestory.com has been around for a good while and its Hitbox has a very good reputation.

    Good luck!

    Carmen




  • Posted by ReadCopy on Accepted
    If your looking for a free tool, webanalyse (https://webanalyse.sourceforge.net) is supposed to be good (https://webanalyse.sourceforge.net).

    OR

    ClickTracks (https://www.clicktracks.com) has won awards and everything!
  • Posted on Member
    Chall, I feel for you. The client appears to be one of those types who believes "We build a better mousetrap so the world will beat a path to our doors", to paraphrase Emerson. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Can't suggest any sites better than those already suggested. Can suggest that you buy "Ogilvy on Advertising" and "The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing" and give them to the client (after reading them yourself again), with an appropriate note on why they are must reading to improve the value of his business.

    I'd suggest that the client might respond to the premise that MARKETING is SELLING. That improving the crafts, techniques, and strategies employed to SELL products nearly always improve sales.

    Try to convince him to make a trial run of one aspect of your proposed marketing material change, pointing out that expectations must be suitably reduced because of its limitations and lack of integration to the whole magilla. Measure activity before you start, and activity every day for (as suggested) at least 60 days. If there is measurable improvement, it's time to ask for the whole magilla.

    Remember, you're in sales too. So you've got to do some selling of your ability to get the job done -- what have YOU done for other clients that worked? Finally, if your client isn't interested in selling his products, he doesn't really believe in his product, and you should walk away.
  • Posted on Member
    Mac, there are easily two sides to this story. Here is how I would sort it out.

    If the results you are looking for from your Web site are leads or sales -- some kind of action on the part of the Web visitor, then taking a look at your site's conversion rate tells you where to make the investment.

    Your conversion rate will vary by industry and type of business. If your current Web site has to pull thousands of visitors in order to create one lead or sale and by redesigning the site you can bring your conversion rate up to 1 out of 100 visitors rather than 1 out of a 1000, then there is excellent argument for investing your resources in the Web redesign. The redesign will multiply your results by ten times.

    If, however, your conversion rate is pretty good, say 1 out of 20 visitors (5% conversion rate) buy or make an enquiry, then you may well be better off investing in PR to attract more visitors to your site.

    I don't know how easy it will be for you to find out what the usual conversion rate should be for your industry, but if you can find an industry bench mark that will help in your decision.

    Miki
    https://www.roi-web.com
  • Posted by Pepper Blue on Accepted
    Not knowing your business, I would offer this approach:

    1) Do as much PR yourself. Read "Guerilla PR" (Michael Levine) and "The Fall of Advertising and the Rise of PR" (Al Ries) . Save big money.

    2) I agree with you that "build it and they will come" doesn''t work anymore" with websites. But do keep it updated (if you have e-commerce, that is another animal) with fresh relevant value-ad content. Too many companies spend too much money on web design and if they looked at their logs they would cry.

    3) However, building your permission-based database makes cost-effective sense. Then you can send the web-site, new content, white papers, self-published PR articles, case studies etc. via e-mail marketing i.e. newsletters, announcements, specials etc. to customers and prospects who want it and will derive benefit from it.
  • Posted on Accepted
    I use the following free application on several client's web sites

    https://www.zymodules.com/realtracker/

    Mark Wilkinson
    Brand Architect
    https://www.newmarque.com
  • Posted on Accepted
    Glen

    If I were given the task to articulate to the senior management team (that are non marketers) the difference between brand values (we are not talking about brand value) and brand personality - I would start by asking them a few thought provoking questions.

    1. Brand Values

    “Do they know anyone who has personal values that would simply make them ineligible to represent our company?” Out of some forty common values, people chose less than ten to run their life and everyone puts different emphasis on those they select as important. This question effectively points out that the leadership has an existing set of core values. They are just not clearly articulated.

    Jim Collins, author of Built to Last addresses this topic when he says:

    “A few points about identifying core values, for without this stake firmly in the ground, the organization is unable to articulate its purpose effectively:

    First, you cannot "set" organizational values, you can only discover them. Nor can you "install" new core values into people. Core values are not something people "buy in" to. People must be predisposed to holding them. Executives often ask me, "How do we get people to share our core values?" You don't. Instead, the task is to find people who are already predisposed to sharing your core values. You must attract and then retain these people and let those who aren't predisposed to sharing your core values go elsewhere. "

    Ideally, once you achieve agreement on company core values you can comb through the organization and identify where policies and actions are misaligned with the core values. Get rid of those. Next create visible actions that create alignment between what the company does and its core values. Think of it as the company fulfilling its “promise” to behave in a certain way.

    2. Brand Personality

    Here you might ask the senior management to think of a relative or acquaintance that has no personality. It should become abundantly clear that a company without a personality is in the same position. This should achieve your goal of getting buy-in to discover and shape your company’s desired personality. Chances are you already have one that you can take steps to enhance.

    3. Brand Definition

    Just in case you need a definition of brand to get these guys all on the same page try this one on for size:

    A brand is the sum total of everything that is known, thought, felt or perceived about a company, product and/or service. It is a promise to achieve a certain result, deliver a certain experience and behave in a certain manner. (source unknown)

    My colleagues have given you a lot to work with. Good luck with your brand development process.

    Mark Wilkinson
    Brand Architect
    https://www.newmarque.com

    PS. Let me know if you need a list of values
  • Posted on Accepted
    A great question, one that actually adresses a fundamental marketing issue. If you (we) truly believe marketing is more than promotion, the answer to your question is a no brainer - by not involving the customer in the process you're not marketing anyway!

    With regards to literature to help validate customer involvment in new service developemnt (NSD) you will find some in the busienss to business literature where this is not so rare as it appears to be in B2C. For specific articles, let me know if you need a hand locating them.

    Also a colleague of mine has just recently completed his Phd in NSD within the hospitlaity industry (Europe), while this was not a specific theme (customer involvment) I am sure he would be able to provide additional insight.

    Problems you may need to deal with is motivation of the customer to be involved ie. why would they help, remuneration and the political ramifications of managing a group involving (probably) one of your key customers in the decision making process eg. what if they are no use, or none of there input is utilised, who tells them they are wrong without wearing the outcome (reduced sales to that customer?).

    However despite this, i think you are on to something and you should persevere; i think you have the makings of a comparative advantage and you will definitely engaging in real 'marketing'.
  • Posted on Member
    Mac:

    There's no reason why you can't have both a solid PR effort and a great website. These efforts should go hand in hand.

    As others have noted, having a website takes a sustained effort. You need to optimize it for search engines, jazz it up from time to time, and, of course, use it to generate leads and gather information about your customers.

    If you believe case studies will get customers excited, fight to get them on the site. Then include specific URLs to these pages in your sales letters and direct mail.

    As for PR, it's fairly inexpensive to adopt an aggressive PR plan, if you know the tricks of the trade. Jot down a list of the publications that you and your customers read. If you don't know what your customers read, ask them. Get to know the publications. Then work with your marketing team to query the editors of these publications with stories about your products. To save time, put your customers to work for you. Just like you, they're looking for opportunities to get covered. Create a case study that works for both of you, and rely on an experienced marketing communications person to begin e-mailing those editors.
  • Posted on Member
    Additionally, many google users abandon the paid adverts because they know they're paid adverts, and they trust google to find relevant results from the content of the webpage, not from an advert. Skeptics. All of them!

    For searchers looking for the lowest price, they might use FROOGLE, a division of google that auto compares prices for products based on the page content, not adverts. So organic is still relevant.

    One thing is true PFP is easier, just throw money at the problem. SEO (Search Engine Optimization) is harder, because you trade hard cash for time and sweat.

    Your first clue should have been the fact that you were LISTENING TO A CEO! Ha Ha :-)
  • Posted on Accepted
    Hi Mac,

    I looked at your profile, determined what type of business you were in, and then and visited your website at vcgsoftware.com

    Your website looks professional enough, but a quick search in google for "staffing software" did not list your site in the top 50 results. Your home page has a google pagerank of 6 out of 10 (which is good) and you have approximately 60 other sites linking to your home page.

    Depending upon how many prospects are using the web to find your product (software), you might consider optimizing your website to rank higher FOR THE KEYWORDS THEY USE TO FIND YOU. Make surew they're the prospects keywords, not the powers that be's keywords.

    However, if your prospects are too busy to search the web for their software needs, or they don't know their software needs, you would likely have better luck pitching them with articles published in trade magazines (publicity).

    That would drive them to the website, which should then be modified to have HUGE BILLBOARD SIZED graphic images of those articles, (OK not HUGE, but...) which link to a specific page that talks about how your solution can help them, and then a contact form for a free trial or demo, etc.

    I'd spend a day on the phone with your existing customers and a group of prospects and ask them how they found you, and determine if THEY WANT YOUR WEBSITE REDESIGNED or THEY WANT SOLUTIONS TO THEIR STAFFING NEEDS THROUGH SOFTWARE. Then take that data to the PTB (Powers That Be) to win your case.

    Write the articles, have your focus group read them and give you feedback, then get them published, modify the website, and watch your weblogs for signs of life.

    GL (Good Luck)
  • Posted by Jim Sterne on Member
    Take a look at the The Big List of Lists of Web Analytics Tools at https://www.emetrics.org/toollist.html

  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Accepted
    Woody,

    Allen has posted very sound advice. If you wish to pursue upper level positions, an MBA is a very good "Gold Star" on your resume.

    To add to Allen's copy.....

    You really do need to decide what type of marketing and what type of positions you wish to pursue. This can make all the difference in your strategy. Allen already gave you an example of the benefits of an MBA...but let's say you don't want to do that right now. What do you do?

    First of all, I would STAY in your current employ since they have given you a chance to not only learn the ropes, but use their company as an entry level basis for your marketing future. Even though the newsletter may not be intellectually rewarding right now, you are gaining EXPERIENCE!

    If the newsletter is "cake" to you, then I assume you have room in your life (and energy) to educate yourself. Your inquiry about AMA workshops is indicative of your willingness to devote time to training.

    Where do you start? RIGHT HERE! This website has a plethora of information from basic "101" to complicated metrics analysis. Read, Read, Read!!!! You will be amazed at how much you can find out in just a few short hours of online tutorial, articles, etc. This site will keep you tied up for days if not weeks! You can also check out marketing firm sites to see how they present themselves, etc.

    Secondly, start interacting in the forum. You asked a question...now try answering one. Marketing is not all about degrees and such. Much of it is creativity and intuition. If you feel like you have a good answer to a posted question, give it a shot! Interacting with other marketers is another valuable "free" resource.

    Another suggestion, which is quite a big step but worth a shot, is to start your own marketing firm. Work it online from home after work. Start slow. Ask questions. As you go through the phases of developing your business, you will be "forced" to inquire about certain topics, thereby not only enhancing your education, but your experience as well! In other words, you can't learn how to swim until you get in the water! I'm not saying you can't have "floaties", but I believe hands on experience within your current job along with self education as described above will help you decide if you really need or want to devote the time and money to obtain an MBA.

    Good luck with your endeavors!



  • Posted by Blaine Wilkerson on Member
    What can I say after all that!!! LOL!!!

    Well, I can simply say I believe BOTH are important. Great PR leading to a sloppy site is a waste and vice-versa.

    Good luck with the "Powers that be"!

    Funny how they hired you to handle marketing, but they are telling you how they want it done. What a surprise!!

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